It's not a dick move to quit a job at any point. In business/career you have to put yourself first always. You owe nobody anything. The sooner people realize this, the better things turn out for them. I'm constantly telling my own family members this and they don't listen.
Been offered a job. Leaning to yes (currently jobless)
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What level are they bringing you on as consultant / senior consultant ?
For comparison I know the consultancy I work for would be paying a consultant with 2-4 years relevant experience around 50-55k plus 20% bonus. This is finance sector
For comparison I know the consultancy I work for would be paying a consultant with 2-4 years relevant experience around 50-55k plus 20% bonus. This is finance sector
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I agree. Although depending on your network and the industry you have to be a little careful not to be a "fly by night" employee. But generally this shouldn't be an issue.
It would be starting level. Here I believe it makes me a "consultant".
From the gist of it (and this is my main trepidation) that the bonus is same for most people. Ie you don't get more if you've worked there 2 years etc. It's all a bit 'loose'. I've not had the contract yet.
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Soldato
No chance in countering their offer? Trying to get a bit more from them?
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Sounds like a very small consultancy from what you've described.
I don't think so. They moved on holiday. Was 28 days including bank Holidays. Its now 25 (plus birthday) days + Bank Holidays.
They are small. Less than 20 people.
Anything I should particularly watch out for with this?
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I've worked for consultancies with 10 people, and consultancies with thousands. The bigger the company, the worse the office politics (a huge negative for me as I hate office politics), but the better the pay. The smaller the company, the higher the workload, but you also feel like you're contributing more due to the size of the team, and it'll have a "nicer" feeling to it, almost a family/friends type of atmosphere. I've found smaller companies are also more likely to give longer term benefits to offset the lower salaries, such as % ownership in the company etc. None of that is set in stone but that's been my general feeling and experiences.
What is it you'll be consulting in?
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BI developer and hopefully getting into the more engineering side.
Would be working with clients building reporting solutions on the Microsoft Stack. Leaning more into power bi/ssas rather than warehousing. But I suspect it will be fairly varied in a small consultancy
I'm a tad disappointed I don't really want it. I think with a better package.. Or a clearer path to a better package I'd be happy.
Having been caught out by false promises with jobs before. I'm more tentative than I'd like. But also concerned I'm currently without work. And this is work. And a step in the right direction (hopefully)
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Most people in this sort of salary bracket probably won't be getting unemployment benefits anyway, as if you and your partner (doesn't matter if married or not) have more than £16k in savings & investments then you don't get a penny.
Soldato
I'd accept the job but keep your options open. It's not uncommon for people to not last their notice period as they received a better offer elsewhere. Yes it might not be seen as the nicest thing to do but with the way companies are treating employees at the moment, I'd make sure to look after yourself and do what's best for you.
Are you looking to branch into more azure work or Power Automate / Power apps work?
I've been seeing a lot of demand for simple power automate solutions to hook up a couple of point solutions and move data around without having to add in an expensive data warehouse.
Also the other benefit of consulting is you will build up your network and companies may want to poach you full time. Our company has seen a few power bi devs move to clients recently
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Yes to both.
Just done a salary comparison between offer 1 and potential 50k jobs.
Its more than I thought.
400£/month is what I'm seeing after tax.
Tough one. Going to push for another day to decide.
What does that mean? Microsoft Gold?
The pay sounds low, that's the equivalent to 20-something k back when I was on a grad scheme and at the firm I was at we'd pay 30-something or even more like 40 for a grad from a top university or with a masters, that would be the equivalent to a 60k+ starting salary today (and that's with no experience).
Even if you've got no consultancy experience you've surely got some IT experience they're leveraging, or are they pitching you to clients as equivalent to some new grad/junior consultant?
If they're actually billing you out to clients as someone with experience then that would be dodgy. I don't think there is much excuse for underpaying someone in a consultancy role either, if they need the headcount filled then they clearly have project work they've got planned for you and if that's the case then there will be revenue directly attributed to the work you're doing.
Do they at least pay a bonus?
Do they not make clients sign a no-poaching agreement and/or employees sign a non-compete? Can often be a 3 - 6 month Europe-wide non-compete + notice period (1-3 months) before moving to a client and has to be indirect or super discrete as the client agreement can scupper it if planned in advance too. (The latter issue, even if adhering to the personal non-compete/notice period screwed over a friend of mine, he moved to another European country and the firm got wind of it, threatened the client and they instantly ditched him... he basically got paid like 20k for one month and then back home unemployed.)
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This is very dodgy though, if you're waiting for another offer then it is better to be open about that and push back on any pressure to sign immediately, or simply ask the firm to match the offer if they really want you to accept now.
I guess if they do force your hand with an exploding offer then sure, accept it having been open with them and then be prepared to ditch them, that will definitely cause the recruiter or internal HR person to go nuts though. If it's a big industry then whatever, unethical but screw them and their exploding offer/low ball pay if it's not then be super careful about this sort of thing.
I do have a friend who has upset a load of risk management recruiters, he regularly pulls stunts like that but finance is a big industry and plenty of recruiters don't last too long. He even had one case where he'd accepted an offer then accepted another better one and forgot to tell the recruiter/firm until they called to check if everything was OK as he hadn't shown up at the asset management firm for his first day... the recruiter (who'd actually been out for beers with us - some of them get super keen and want to pretend to be your mate) went absolutely nuts with all the missed calls, voicemail messages etc.
My firm has a two way no poach agreement during live engagements and 6 months after that but I've not seen it enforced from the consultantcy side.
I've also seen clients come to an arrangement when they have had a consultant embedded for a year or more and want to hire them. They usually end up paying out the remaining contracted hours and or a finders fee
It's a smaller boutique firm so they are pretty relaxed. The CEO would rather a consultant moved to a client firm happy and advocates for the company than leave join a potential client and bad mouth the company
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This for me, plus the fact they're a small company means the chance for further bumps (in my experience) in pay, are much harder to get.
I'd try and hold out for a better offer if it was me personally. If they're that fixed on the salary now, without even getting further increases in writing (I've joined before on X and promised in writing Y in 6 months, which was a small company and still a bitch to fight for after 6 months) it just sounds like you'll always be underpaid.