Being Fat / Getting Fat..

LOAM said:
Your talking nonsense, making excuses for why its so hard.
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Thank you. You are right, it is easy, that's why most of those who attempt it (worldwide) regularly succeed with over 40kg weight loss in 8 months. Oh wait....

LOAM said:
To say 2000 calories is very little speaks volumes to be honest, its very little if your eating utter @#$* food but its more than enough if your eating sensible. Some days I can't eat 1600.
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Something is still not right buddy, even with numbers changed. I think we are losing something in imperial to metric conversions. If you are 188cm and 93.5kg and are even moderately active, every calorie intake calculator says you should be eating north of 3000 calories per day to maintain weight and not go below 1900 calories a day for EXTREME weight loss.

You are saying 1600 and cannot eat more.

Maybe I provided wrong examples. Look up some office lunch food. Not diet food. Just regular food. Those sandwiches at Tesco, you know two square slices of bread served as triangles. I'm sure last time i checked regular rage was between 350 and 700 calories per box. 6 inch small tuna bagette at Subway is about 500 calories. Looks like you'd have one of each, coffee and soda and call it a day?
 
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Then stop eating processed ready made junk mate, its not rocket science. You can make / eat a 2 egg omelette packet with mushrooms, onion, peppers, tomatoes, courgette, spinach and quorn along with a large salad with tomatoes, cucumber, carrots, onion etc for under 400 calories. It's a massive filling meal.

It's no good saying "what's the point in dieting when subway is 700 calories". Guess what there is no point in dieting if your eating ****. Dear god.
 
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v0n said:
some moaning...
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If you stop eating all that rubbish and started eating real food, you'd find yourself eating a sensible amount without even thinking about it.

I've lost 61kg (so far) without worrying about calories at all and doing a tiny bit of exercise (mostly resistance training, around 20-30 mins every 1-2 weeks). I just make sure I'm eating foods I know are OK, and eat until I'm full/satisfied, never feel like I'm depriving myself at all. When you're eating the right foods, it's quite hard to over eat. The best part is, the stuff that's good for you is actually the best part of a 'normal' meal anyway, you just need to cut out the tastless filling parts.
 
LOAM said:
Then stop eating processed ready made junk mate, its not rocket science.

It's no good saying "what's the point in dieting when subway is 700 calories". Guess what there is no point in dieting if your eating ****. Dear god.
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Mickey said:
If you stop eating all that rubbish and started eating real food, you'd find yourself eating a sensible amount without even thinking about it.
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I think we have a misunderstanding. I'm talking sustainable diet for the rest of ones life. 1600 calories is body chefs accelerated weight loss diet. Regular people pass out with this little energy. This guy is saying he's running equivalent distance from London to stansted then cycles back to lift some weights on that. At 6f2 after crash dieting for 8 months.

For the record I don't eat fast foods, drink fizzy, do volume alcohol, eat sweets, cakes, do not use sugar or wheat. Banana for breakfast and two meals a day. Examples I post are "regular" foods I see people eat around me to anchor the weight of just how outlandish a 1600 or 2000 diet would be for the rest of ones life.
 
v0n said:
I think we have a misunderstanding. I'm talking sustainable diet for the rest of ones life. 1600 calories is body chefs accelerated weight loss diet. Regular people pass out with this little energy.
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Who passes out with 1600 calories a day? If you're eating the right food and not so dependant on sugars that you struggle to access body fat, then it's quite easy to go periods on much less and have no ill effects.
v0n said:
This guy is saying he's running equivalent distance from London to stansted then cycles back to lift some weights on that. At 6f2 after crash dieting for 8 months.
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I also know people who've done similar, and it does work. I'd agree it's not a good way to lose weight, and they usually endup looking ill, but it's possible.
v0n said:
For the record I don't eat fast foods, drink fizzy, do volume alcohol, eat sweets, cakes, do not use sugar or wheat. Banana for breakfast and two meals a day. Examples I post are "regular" foods I see people eat around me to anchor the weight of just how outlandish a 1600 or 2000 diet would be for the rest of ones life.
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Again, eating crap every day isn't going to make it easy for anyone to maintain a decent weight or eat at this level. Eating decent foods make it quite easy to fill yourself and feel perfectly fine on it.

Even if you're wanting to eat out, there are plenty of options about. Just look at the Nandos menu for examples of what you could eat. A half chicken with macho peas and a side salad adds up to 530 calories. You could eat that 3 times per day and still be under 1600 calories, do you honestly think you'd still be hungry?
 
Ok then carry on doing whatever it is your doing, I'm not really that bothered what that is to be honest. I know what I'm doing and I know its not hard to do and maintain it because I love doing it. Exercise is a massive stress release for me after work and I look forward to an hours run to clear my head. I eat 3 meals a day that don't leave me hungry at any point and if I am hungry I'll eat something.

The only downside to any of this is the amount I've had to spend on new clothes. If you don't like that or indeed don't believe it then fine, like I said it makes no odds to me.

For info my BMR is 2100 calories with a 3100 requirement to maintain. However I know my body, and 3100 is vastly more than I need. I will quite easily maintain at 93.5 on 2000 at current activity levels but if I do need more i'll up it. I can always scoff a subway if I need to ;)
 
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The process of losing weight is very simple but the mental side of it is what trips people up.

2000 calories is actually quite a lot of decent food for example.

Yes you won't be able to eat a massive pizza every week, but I think there's a misconception in that there's loads of people who can eat one every night and not put on weight, just doesn't work like that!

After dieting I don't think you need to track every calorie not to put the weight back on, it's about finding a balance with your own body and knowing what foods do what to you and how much exercise you need to do on top.

In terms of "regular" food, stuff like sandwiches from Tesco etc are what I consider bad food, processed and full of crap. Just make the same sandwich yourself, it's always going to be better for you.
 
v0n said:
It alway amazes me how some people think that being larger in waist is somehow like being a crack addict. Look at the words he used "zero will power to make positive effect on your life"... Because what? My life must be soooo bad as a 120kg guy, right? What a condescending pile. Wow. Get the..
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Again, just trying to make yourself out to be hard done by aren't you? I said having zero will power to make a (ie singular) positive effect on your life. Considering the massive (no doubt mayonnaise covered) chip you have on your shoulder over this, it's clear you desire to be more aesthetic. But you don't find it easy, and make excuses as to why you can't do it.

Losing 1kg a week is the recommended rate of weightloss for people wanting to maintain muscle whilst "cutting". You can easily go over that, and you'll lose weight at an even faster rate; but you'll also lose muscle. This will result in you potentially turning in to a smaller version of yourself at the same muscle:fat ratio. However for a gent of 19 clem, I don't think this is such an issue......

Your understanding for this subject is also massively shaky at best. You're assuming the loose Government guidelines for maintenance calories being 2500. For a 19 stone man, your body will be using more calories walking to the toilet than mine will. It'll use more calories walking around town than mine will. It'll use more calories walking up the stairs than mine wil--, well you're seeing the pattern here right? Fact is, a man of 19 stone will lose weight on a higher calorie intake than a 12 stone man. As the difference in weight becomes smaller, you'll need to taper the amount of calories down as your basic metabolic rate slows down, but that's no hardship as your body is getting used to consuming less food.

I would love an insight in to your diet, as it must be proper shaky at best if you just can't lose weight at all.

For the record, I've been a >15st fatty, a 10.5 stone border-line eating disorder skinny, and currently a 12 stone gym go-er who's happy with the direction I'm going in. To say I don't understand your 'predicament' is fool-hardy.
 
v0n said:
It alway amazes me how some people think that being larger in waist is somehow like being a crack addict. Look at the words he used "zero will power to make positive effect on your life"... Because what? My life must be soooo bad as a 120kg guy, right? What a condescending pile. Wow. Get the..
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v0n , try cycling. It won't knacker your joints, and it is fun.
 
Walking doesn't knacker your joints as much as running either, I started off with walking and built up to running gradually. Like they say, don't try and run before you can walk!
 
v0n said:
For the regular/slim people - do you guys know what 2000 calories is? You walk into Pizza Hat, get medium size deep pan margherita and two small cans of coke. That's 2000 calories. Large McDonalds Big Mac meal. 2000 calories. 0.5l of vodka and tiny bag of peanuts. Medium doner and small chips. Basically, the stuff most Britons have on a single saturday night is over half a weeks worth for non exercising fattie-turned-slim on forever maintaining diet according to just about all calorie calculators.
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Jesus H Christ where do you get this crap? Sorry, I forgot; you make it up. You do realise how rarely most regular/slim people eat this sort of thing, don't you? Not. Very. Often. Also, do you map their entire calorie in take for that day? A lot of people don't eat when they're out on the drink (eating is cheating), most people will skip lunch if they're going to pizza hut on an evening....... Yes, we get it. You're fat. You eat crap food. You can't eat a Big Mac meal without having 2 other big meals that day. You crave food to live. You can't sacrifice junk food to eat a clean diet. You'd be shocked how much food 2000 calories is when it's brown rice, chicken, sweet potato, oats and fruit.

v0n said:
And that's why most of dieting fatties fail. ....
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Snipped the above, but there we have it. You don't actually want to make the change. Yet you're happy to sit arguing on an Internet forum about why you have it so tough.

Thousands of people have made the life style change, and stuck to it. You didn't. It says more about you than the difficulty of it.

Sorry to sound so militant over this, but when you're making sweeping generalisations that it's a difficult thing to do, how the numbers are against you and blah blah blah, it just grinds my gears.
 
v0n said:
COMPLETE RUBBISH
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Seriously, what on earth are you on about? LOADS of people, MOST people maintain a healthy weight while eating nice food, that includes nuts, cheese, meat, bread pretty much ANYTHING they want!

Look -

Breakfast - 2 x Poached Eggs on 2 x toast - MAX 400 calories

Lunch - Tuna pasta - 350 calories
Banana - 100 calories (edited to prevent MoNkeE from causing himself serious injury)
Yoghurt pot - 60 calories(?)

Dinner - 8oz Sirloin Steak - 500 calories
Mashed potatoes/butter - 350 calories
Other mixed veg - 100 calories for loads (?)

Supper - 200 calories of something or other

Total - 2060.



Now kindly stop talking out of your arse and perpetuating stupid myths. If you're worried about your weight (which your post would indicate) then do something about it, the problem isn't physics, it's YOU!
 
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MoNkeE said:
Jesus H Christ where do you get this crap? Sorry, I forgot; you make it up. You do realise how rarely most regular/slim people eat this sort of thing, don't you? Not. Very. Often. Also, do you map their entire calorie in take for that day? A lot of people don't eat when they're out on the drink (eating is cheating), most people will skip lunch if they're going to pizza hut on an evening....... Yes, we get it. You're fat. You eat crap food. You can't eat a Big Mac meal without having 2 other big meals that day. You crave food to live. You can't sacrifice junk food to eat a clean diet. You'd be shocked how much food 2000 calories is when it's brown rice, chicken, sweet potato, oats and fruit.
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To be fair there are a lot of calories in carbs and so called "healthy" foods, but from my point of view, if they're good calories (eg not the crap you get in fast foods) then you're usually ok.

Obviously a healthy exercise plan is needed as well.
 
I think exercise and a better diet is the best way to achieve the deficit, rather than going on an extreme diet or extreme exercise.

Just my thoughts!
 
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