Being Fat / Getting Fat..

, if you burn it you can eat it! Simples :)

Its actually not that simple. People with rubbish diets are only slightly lower risk than obese people. There's also the whole problem of what is rubbish. Take saturated fat and dietry chilies trail that have been vilified, yet the reserch doesn't back this up. But it's still preached. People don't like to abpdmit they are wrong and of course there's a certain amount of money involved as well.

People should reduce their intake off processed foods. A good site to show which are good and bad brands for using whole food ingredients is http://www.naturalfoodfinder.co.uk/condiments-sauces
 
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Not really the issue though! It still all comes down to maths you can still eat your daily calories requirements in pure rubbish (chocolate etc) and not get fat!. Myself I burn a lot everyday and eat a lot of rubbish as well! (I love COOKIES!) however I still make sure to get in a lot of good proteins and good carbs as well as the bad stuff, if you burn it you can eat it! Simples :)
At a most basic level you're right, of course; if calories out is greater than calories in, then weight loss ensues. I would speculate that most people haven't a clue how many calories they burn, or how many calories they consume; I suspect most people overestimate the former, and underestimate the later. When I started logging everything I ate back in November 2009, I was surprised at just how calorific some foods are. For example, a large (or what I'd call a proper-sized) sausage roll is upwards of 600 calories; I'd quite easily have two, along with a doughnut, for lunch most days. That would be nigh on 1500 calories in a single meal. It's little wonder I ended up weighing over 330lb when I ate like that, of course, but I didn't think I ate "that much" back then. For people like me, counting calories is pretty much essential - if only to be shocked into keeping a handle on my food intake, if nothing else.

With regards to exercising for weight loss, there's a popular saying; you can't outrun a bad diet. Exercise alone isn't going to be enough if you don't get your diet right. There seems to be an unfortunate myth (perpetuated by the food industry, I suspect) that more people are obese/overweight nowadays because we're becoming more sedentary.
 
I honestly don't understand how people get fat. It's really not difficult to stay the same size. All you have to do is just stop buying bigger trousers. If your trousers are too tight then move more/eat better. If your trousers are too loose then feel free to increase your pie intake.

Yes, as you get older your metabolism slows down, I'm 32 and a few months ago my trousers started feeling tighter despite the fact that I'd been eating about the same as I always have. I've upped the amount of exercise I do slightly and lo and behold my trousers fit properly again.


It's really not rocket science.
 
When you have an addiction, you can't stop as you are suggesting.
I can quite happily get through around 5000 calories of chocolates (plus normal food). I don't feel sick. And I just want to eat one after the other. There is no control - that is the very nature of an addiction.

For this reason I went cold turkey. It's the only way.

Now, if you have the will power to prevent eating the calorie dense foods (like chocolate), then you shouldnt have any issues with being obese. Also consider that most people don't get enough exercise. This all adds up to a high likelihood of obesity.
 
Its actually not that simple. People with rubbish diets are only slightly lower risk than obese people. There's also the whole problem of what is rubbish. Take saturated fat and dietry chilies trail that have been vilified, yet the reserch doesn't back this up. But it's still preached. People don't like to abpdmit they are wrong and of course there's a certain amount of money involved as well.

People should reduce their intake off processed foods. A good site to show which are good and bad brands for using whole food ingredients is http://www.naturalfoodfinder.co.uk/condiments-sauces

Your talking about personal health though there, that has nothing to do with "fatness". True you can be think and unhealthy (heart rate, blood pressure etc etc) but still you wont get overweight necessarily from bad foods.
 
I know it's nothing to do with fatness. But this thread contains a lot about general health risk associated with being fat, then you saying you're fine as you are thin, as I said being thin does not exclude you from pretty much all the same issues as being fat. The only real diiference is statistics, fat people statistically will eat more rubbish, do less exercise etc. being thin doesnt exclude you from this and your personal risk factors won't be low just becuase you're thin.
 
I honestly don't understand how people get fat. It's really not difficult to stay the same size. I've upped the amount of exercise I do slightly and lo and behold my trousers fit properly again. It's really not rocket science.

End of last decade figures, but still - 60.8 per cent of adults and 31.1 per cent of children in UK are overweight. It is quite clearly difficult for majority of the nation to stay the same size, stop being such a Richard about it, you aren't clever, you are just ignorant individual who jumped from size 32 with belt to 33 and back and thinks it's the same as moving down from 46 to 32. People are just so ignorant about weight loss sometimes, it's crazy.

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Whichever way you look at it you're eating enough to maintain your current bodyweight, if you go on calorie deficit like 300 less a day you will gradually lose weight. You don't have to change your diet, simply eat less.

Allow me to demonstrate (we'll have to work primarily in metrics because it's virtually impossible to find correct calculations in nautical miles, feet, stones, pounds, schillings and farthings.

Meet your average man - 38 male with an office job, commuting by car, 175cm tall (5f9), 120kg (18.9 stone) in weight, size 44 in waist.

This man requires minimum of 2500 calories/day to maintain his weight. This isn't a given, because I am exactly that weight and height and age, and on strict MyFitnessPal calculators, I can barely maintain my weight with 2200 calories a day. But let's go with official figures:

- 2500 calories to maintain his 120kg weight
- 2000 calories/day to lose 0.5 kg (over 1 pound) per week
- 1500 calories/day to lose 1 kg (2.2 pounds) per week

This is all easy so far. Our Mr.Average won't do hardcore 1kg a week loss, because he would most likely collapse on 1500 calories a day. 1500 calories is 200g bag of peanuts. Not that our Mr.Average would be eating peanuts on his diet, but just try to imagine what 1500 calories is in fatty routine. Medium bag of peanuts. Single English breakfast. Small Domino's Pizza of meaty type. Tub of Ben & Jerry's ice cream. One of the above.

In step one we will take our 120kg man down half way - to 100kg (15.7 stone). Our Mr.Average therefore will do the 2000 calorie diet, to lose half a kg a week. That way he can have small pizza and a soup to get him through the day. Should be easy enough, if two light meals a day and enough calories for a latte and kitkat inbetween. He will need this kitkat and latte, because by the simplest of maths, first stage, shedding 20kg will take him 40 weeks.

Some of you will say he could stay on 2500 calorie diet and run for 3 miles at a good pace every day. Except he won't, because
a) 175cm man with 120kg of fat, not muscle would do incredible damage to his joints and maybe even bones trying to run for 3 miles. I get pain in my tibias if I try to run for more than few minutes for example. It is a funny sight though, so he might lose some weight loling if you give him a mirror on threadmill.
b) WTF has time to run for an hour every day in 21st century? Hipsters, adrenaline junkies and company directors. Not fatties with sitting jobs.

Now, one would imagine, 40 weeks later Mr Average will emerge 20kg (3.1 stone) lighter, much happier and ready for stage two and shedding next 20kg, except...

... there is an error in ad hoc maths. Because shedding weight is not linear. It's a curve.

If at weight of 120kg Mr Average needs 2500 calories a day to maintain weight and 2000 calories a day to lose 0.5 kg a week, then 20-24 weeks later give or take:
@ 110kg he needs to go down to 1900 calories a day to maintain weight loss of 0.5kg week
@ 100kg he needs to reach 1750 calories a day to keep shedding weight at the same rate
@ 90kg it's already 1650 calories a day to maintain weight loss

And finally - optimistically 2 years later, weighting in at healthy 80kg (12.6 stone) and with the last 6 months of it spent eating equivalent of a single Big Mac large meal as entire days worth he will have to live on 2000 calories a day, one meal less than his original diet plan FOR THE REST OF HIS LIFE, just to maintain the target weight, his 36 inches waistline and not gain anything back.

The amount of exercise you would have to "up" daily routine of a man who's 44 in waist to get him back to 32 in the same time would be what - 10 mile marathon a day?

The reason why 90% of fat people, myself included don't succeed with dieting, is because the process is incredibly long, it involves giving up EVERYTHING you live for (I live for nuts and cheese, both of which cannot return into my life ever if I want to be 76kg again), it's brain frying tiresome, full of mucky, bad tasting foods with weird textures served in small portions at irritably rare intervals and at the end of it, you just cannot go back to your life. But it's the only way to do it. Fat man cannot run, cannot truly exercise and shouldn't really gain weight in muscle as, although it's a good thing, it defeats the purpose of calorie per kg balanced weight loss plan. So diet, is the preferred way. And dieting for such lengths of time is the most unsustainable process ever.
 
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Its a simple case of not having the correct diet and exercise

E.g. Today I have felt rubbish after a hard weekend. I have eaten good healthy food today (Porridge with honey, pepper with chicken and rice, chicken fajitas) and did my usual post weekend cardio session at the gym. Its always killer running 4 or 5km when tired and a bit hungover, followed by rowing and some weights then a sauna however it it makes you feel so much better.

In contrast my housemate finished work, ate a huge chilli and has retired to bed feeling rubbish. I could easily go out again now and get back on it or go for another run

I have no sympathy for fat people [most] are lazy, greedy slobs. I myself was one a few years ago when in the first year of uni. It is hard to exercise and not eat crap all the time, but if you want to look and more importantly feel good then get off your fat ass and do something about it
 
April 6th 2012 my weight had crept up to 140kg / 308lbs. This was primarily due to being made redundant in Dec 2010 and setting up our business working from home. My daily exercise involved getting cups of coffee downstairs and nothing else. I didn't eat a great amount but I barely moved.

April 6th I said to the wife I was going to start running again, we have a treadmill and the plan was to run 10mins every night because who can't spare 10 mins a night?. When I started I could run for 2 mins / walk for 8 but I persisted with it every night.

Today, Dec 17 I run 20 miles a week, I bike 25 miles a week and do weights in between. I weigh 93.5kg/206lbs with a 34" waist, I'm 6ft 2 and don't want to lose any more. I eat more now than I ever have and tbh running facilities eating pretty much whatever I want but we still eat carefully.

I'm quite critical of people who say its hard if I'm honest because with just a bit of effort it can be done without denying yourself everything. Our saturday run blows 1000 calories out of my body and its usually followed by a beer and "treat" dinner and movie and it doesn't come close to replacing used calories plus your metabolic rate is off the chart for several hours anyway.

Start small and stick with it, its not long before you turn a corner and its literally falling off you.
 
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^ What this guy said. I dropped from almost 14 stone (36" waist) to 11.5 stone (32" waist) I am 5' 8" and ideally would like to stay at 11.5 stone but have more muscle and less fat. I still eat some junk food - fish and chips, kfc, kebabs etc but it doesn't matter if you smash the gym and eat reasonably healthy most of the time. My alcohol intake is very high at weekends / holidays but none existent mid week.

Yes, im almost 100% certain that if I didn't drink or eat any crap I could be shredded but what fun would that be?
 
Wow, just read v0n's post and I must say, I've never seen someone work so hard to justify their current situation......

Jesus, having zero will power to make a positive effect on your life must be a truly horrifying sensation.
 
April 6th 2012 my weight had crept up to 140kg / 308lbs. Today, Dec 17 I weigh 93.5kg/206lbs with a 34" waist

I'm quite critical of people who say its hard

46.5kg in 8 months? Roughly 1.5kg a week? And you eat what you want? On this side of Christian Bale's personal training program? Either there is more to this story or you got your initial numbers wrong.

To everyone else - what he's describing is basically Nick Frost in Shaun Of The Dead running (until he tuns into Simon Pegg)
 
End of last decade figures, but still - 60.8 per cent of adults and 31.1 per cent of children in UK are overweight. It is quite clearly difficult for majority of the nation to stay the same size, stop being such a Richard about it, you aren't clever, you are just ignorant individual who jumped from size 32 with belt to 33 and back and thinks it's the same as moving down from 46 to 32. People are just so ignorant about weight loss sometimes, it's crazy.

42" to 34" in one year, as fast as I'd have liked to lose it tbh, no hurry. I'll never be the 30" I was at university but I think 32" is achievable.

a) 175cm man with 120kg of fat, not muscle would do incredible damage to his joints and maybe even bones trying to run for 3 miles. I get pain in my tibias if I try to run for more than few minutes for example

I must admit I didn't start running until I was about 15 stone, but I enjoy it. I also walked up and across several of the highest peaks of the lake district at over 16 stone, sometimes with a 20kg backpack. My brother (over 40 years old as well) regularly followed me weighing 19 stone.

so while I don't think exercise is critical for weight loss (it isn't - diet is) it certainly isn't something you should ignore for general well being and happiness and decide it's something you can't do and I'd hate anyone reading this to think it is.

he will have to live on 2000 calories a day, one meal less than his original diet plan FOR THE REST OF HIS LIFE, just to maintain the target weight, his 36 inches waistline and not gain anything back.
... dieting for such lengths of time is the most unsustainable process ever.

I'm sorry but that's nonsense, just realise that the pork pie or the bag of sensations is a bad idea, if life isn't worth living without those things you have to admit there is something else lacking surely?
 
Jesus, having zero will power to make a positive effect on your life must be a truly horrifying sensation.

It alway amazes me how some people think that being larger in waist is somehow like being a crack addict. Look at the words he used "zero will power to make positive effect on your life"... Because what? My life must be soooo bad as a 120kg guy, right? What a condescending pile. Wow. Get the..
 
It alway amazes me how some people think that being larger in waist is somehow like being a crack addict. Look at the words he used "zero will power to make positive effect on your life"... Because what? My life must be soooo bad as a 120kg guy, right? What a condescending pile. Wow. Get the..

It's very true, the willpower is only relevant if you want to change it. I've been overweight for a decade and it only changed when I wanted it to.

But it sounds like you're making excuses as to why it's not possible when it really is.

edit: Oh, and there are no doubt plenty of crack-addicts who are enjoying it very much too (surely, that's the point of it?).
 
I'm sorry but that's nonsense (Telescopi is refering to requirement of living on 2000 calories to maintain weight of 80kg for 40 year old 175cm man), just realise that the pork pie or the bag of sensations is a bad idea, if life isn't worth living without those things you have to admit there is something else lacking surely?

We aren't talking about pork pie or bag of sensations face stuffing, unless as a one-meal 2000 calorie dosage. 2000 calories a day is very little. Even in weight watchers meal world.

For the regular/slim people - do you guys know what 2000 calories is? You walk into Pizza Hat, get medium size deep pan margherita and two small cans of coke. That's 2000 calories. Large McDonalds Big Mac meal. 2000 calories. 0.5l of vodka and tiny bag of peanuts. Medium doner and small chips. Basically, the stuff most Britons have on a single saturday night is over half a weeks worth for non exercising fattie-turned-slim on forever maintaining diet according to just about all calorie calculators.

And that's why most of dieting fatties fail. Because most of us think we will once return to that life, the regular life, regular diets, and we can't. We can never, ever go back to old habits again. We can never ever go out with slimmies and do what they do. Not without booking weeks holiday for gym. The moment we realize we can't, there is just no reason to. And those who don't realize, yo-yo all their life. It has to be complete lifestyle change.
As i posted earlier. I've done dieting for 10 years with mixed effects. And at my age I'm no longer sure that lifestyle is worth it. I don't like gyms, I don't like calorie counting, I don't like ups and downs both of those bring into my "inner chi". Being slim won't improve my life at this point, there is nobody i need to impress in my personal and professional life. Sure it would be handy, not to be Michelin man, but I'd rather live a little, watch a movie with popcorn, argue with you guys on the internet about fatties than spend hours and thousands on making my body imitate shape of what my 25 year old self looked like.
 
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46.5kg in 8 months? Roughly 1.5kg a week? And you eat what you want? On this side of Christian Bale's personal training program? Either there is more to this story or you got your initial numbers wrong.

To everyone else - what he's describing is basically Nick Frost in Shaun Of The Dead running (until he tuns into Simon Pegg)

Your talking nonsense, making excuses for why its so hard. I don't consider what I've lost to be such a big deal tbh. The figures are 100% correct, its all logged on my fitnesspal and its 43.5kg in 37 weeks actually, which equates to 1.25kg a week not 1.5.

I currently eat around 1700 - 2000 calories a day on a normal day and to be honest I don't think I could eat much more, but then I'm not shoveling McDonald's and pizzahut into my face. We cook food, we don't buy ready meals and I know exactly what's going in my mouth.

To say 2000 calories is very little speaks volumes to be honest, its very little if your eating utter @#$* food but its more than enough if your eating sensible. Some days I can't eat 1600.
 
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