Belgium Grand Prix 2011, Spa Circuit - Race 12/19
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Indeed, being able to see steering inputs will really clear it up one way or the other
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*laughs at twitter*
"Maldonado should be black-flagged and given 100 lines, 'Being a potato does not make me invincible'."
"Maldonado should be black-flagged and given 100 lines, 'Being a potato does not make me invincible'."
Here's how I saw it:
1. Maldo, on his warm down lap, clearly attempts to get alongside Hamilton and succeeds.
2. Hamilton, then turns right, into Maldo, while Maldo holds a steady straight line.
Result: contact.
For me, both drivers are to blame. Hamilton basically drove into Maldo, even though there was no need to. If you look to the left side of Hamilton, there is plenty of empty track available. If Hamilton wanted, he could've completely backed his speed down. Remember this was a warm down lap.
Lets wait and see what the Stewards make of this one.
1. Maldo, on his warm down lap, clearly attempts to get alongside Hamilton and succeeds.
2. Hamilton, then turns right, into Maldo, while Maldo holds a steady straight line.
Result: contact.
For me, both drivers are to blame. Hamilton basically drove into Maldo, even though there was no need to. If you look to the left side of Hamilton, there is plenty of empty track available. If Hamilton wanted, he could've completely backed his speed down. Remember this was a warm down lap.
Lets wait and see what the Stewards make of this one.
Hamilton follows the race track round. Maldo doesn't. In doing so he drives into Lewis.
100% Maldo's fault.
Being able to avoid the incident doesn't imply blame. Hamilton could maybe have avoided it but I can't see how he could be expected to realise that Maldo was stupid enough to drive into him. Hamilton at no point did anything remotely unreasonable. Maldo drove like an absolute tool.
Ohh. hangbags at dawn.. 
I think lewis is as much to blame, My opinion is that Lewis escalated it by jinking towards Maldo who at that point was alongside but not on a collision course, Lewis then moves over to the left slightly as much as Maldo doesn't follow the corner..
50/50, as much as I like Hamilton, he defo wasn't totally innocent from the angles we saw..
But awesome qualifying, totally had zero clue what was going to happen, I was gutted for JB, he was showing some pace, this was his track IMO, it shows how bad things can get when you have changeable conditions..
I think lewis is as much to blame, My opinion is that Lewis escalated it by jinking towards Maldo who at that point was alongside but not on a collision course, Lewis then moves over to the left slightly as much as Maldo doesn't follow the corner..
50/50, as much as I like Hamilton, he defo wasn't totally innocent from the angles we saw..
But awesome qualifying, totally had zero clue what was going to happen, I was gutted for JB, he was showing some pace, this was his track IMO, it shows how bad things can get when you have changeable conditions..
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And how exactly does failing to turn to properly follow the curve of the road look like on camera? you should be able to see him not turning, but that wouldn't imply why he didn't.
Yup, any two cars cruising back to the pits wouldn't be playing silly games, Hamilton have every right to fully expect Maldanado to turn to his right to follow HIS LINE around the curve in the straight. Maldanado picked a line, but by failing to turn he essentially cut off anywhere for Hamilton to go.
Hamilton did turn right, but he would have assumed Maldanado would aswell, as would a car on the right of Maldanado had their been one there.
Think about Hamilton + ALonso or button or Vettel, going around on the victory lap, do you see a car simply fail to turn around a corner so the one on the outside crashes into him when he turns in, no, you have a line, you stick in it or you move to an open one, by failing to turn Maldanado essentially cut off Hamilton.
So, are you implying that Hamilton is under no obligation to take avoiding action and if he can see another car right alongside him?
Hamilton could've stayed on the left hand side of the track or could've hit the brakes to allow Maldo to pull away. They were not racing, so there was no need for Hamilton to hold his speed or his racing line. No need at all.
You'll be able to see Hamilton deliberately jink out at Maldonado before Maldonado subsequently drives into him, so hopefully some people will then be able to comprehend why some of us think Hamilton isn't 100% innocent.
Hamilton is turning right because that is the line the track is taking, Maldo ignores this, continues going straight and slicing into hamilton
The fact maldo was even that close to lewis, on that part of the track and AFTER the quali session means he is completely in the wrong
What the hell was Maldonado playing at there 
That's going to be a lot more than a slapped wrist methinks, stupid boy. I really don't think Hamilton was to blame there, Maldonado just went straight and didn't bother taking the corner until he'd given Hamilton a belting.
That's going to be a lot more than a slapped wrist methinks, stupid boy. I really don't think Hamilton was to blame there, Maldonado just went straight and didn't bother taking the corner until he'd given Hamilton a belting.
This.
Corrected for you.
well he was even completely off alguersuaris pace!
From the pictures I have seen Hamilton is following the curve of the corner round thus turning to the right, meanwhile Maldo is taking a straight line round a right hand corner going effectively from the middle of the curve to the outside of the curve straight into Hamilton... how is there even any dispute on blame?