Belgium Grand Prix 2011, Spa Circuit - Race 12/19

drunkenmaster said:
Seriously though, just goes to show how ridiculous the sport is becoming. I still think Maldanado was completely at fault in Monaco aswell. Some/most of the penalties he's gotten have been absolutely ridiculous, todays maybe the most ridiculous of all.
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Would have to agree. It is crazy that Maldonardo got off so lightly, he was very lucky imo. What did Hamilton do wrong? :rolleyes:
 
Gayjin said:
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Looks like he's braindead n'all.
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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukn...inflated-by-air-hose-was-victim-of-prank.html

Thought he looked familiar
 
sunama said:
From what I can see, he was reprimanded because he didn't avoid the collission. He could've either:
1. stuck to the left hand side of the track and not turn in to Maldo; or
2. slowed down to allow Maldo to overtake him.

I'm pretty sure that if Button had been in Hamilton's position, Button would've avoided the collision.
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You've failed on two points here that you keep purposefully missing.

IF Maldanado had decided to just ram him full speed from behind, would Hamilton be punished? He DIDN'T KNOW MALDANADO wouldn't turn into the curve as every other driver ever would. How many times do you see two cars on a victory lap side by side, both turn into a corner, its absurd to even suggest he would have considered Maldanado would have done anything else.

Likewise Hamilton DID SLOW DOWN, he was going pretty damn slow as it was, they weren't racing, he was saving tyres and going slow, Maldanado sped up to pass Hamilton, then HE slowed down to the same speed, if someone catches, moves alongside and starts to pass you, at what point would you assume "oh, he's about to match my speed and put me off the track so I should react".

Sorry but no other driver, including Button, would have had that thought process "oh, he's going to try and hit me so I better slam on the breaks".

You really couldn't be more anti hamilton if you tried.

I can just imagine it now "Its 50/50 Hill and Schumacher, why didn't Hill ASSUME Schumacher was going to come back on the track just to take him out, he should have thrown the brakes on and waited for Schumacher to get out of the car before going past"
 
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I said from the word go, that Hamilton definitely played his part in the collision. The Stewards also agreed with my way of thinking. There is nothing else to say on that.

Also, Hamilton is my favourite driver in F1. ;)
 
drunkenmaster said:
I can just imagine it now "Its 50/50 Hill and Schumacher, why didn't Hill ASSUME Schumacher was going to come back on the track just to take him out, he should have thrown the brakes on and waited for Schumacher to get out of the car before going past"
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If you look at the Hill-MSc incident - that was during the race and both drivers were fully pumped up. You only have to look at the rate they were going away from the 3rd placed man (Mansell). Both drivers were right on the limit. Moreover, it happened so quickly, Hill had no way of avoiding MSc.

Hamilton-Maldo incident: Hamilton was going slow, as was Maldo. Q2 was finished. There was no pressure to stay on the throttle. Hamilton had time to brake and could've avoided that crash. That's how I see it. That's how the Stewards saw it. Are you telling me that you know more than the Stewards?
 
sunama said:
If you look at the Hill-MSc incident - that was during the race and both drivers were fully pumped up. You only have to look at the rate they were going away from the 3rd placed man (Mansell). Both drivers were right on the limit. Moreover, it happened so quickly, Hill had no way of avoiding MSc.

Hamilton-Maldo incident: Hamilton was going slow, as was Maldo. Q2 was finished. There was no pressure to stay on the throttle. Hamilton had time to brake and could've avoided that crash. That's how I see it. That's how the Stewards saw it. Are you telling me that you know more than the Stewards?
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Yes, are you telling me people are infallible and can't get things wrong?

Hamilton wasn't on the throttle, you keep saying he could brake, again you are ignoring everything that is said to you. If Maldanado started to turn into him, from a distance, he could have done something, you are acting from hindsight knowing what Maldanado did, and knowing what was going to happen.

Again, how on earth could Hamilton know what Maldanado was going to do, should he have stopped because another car was NEAR him, and waited for everyone else to be in the pits before driving back, seriously?

Tell me why he needed to brake hard, and explain to me how Maldanado was PASSING Hamilton, at pretty slow speeds, that Hamilton would know Maldanado would slow down, and refuse to follow the curve in the straight, no driver and not Hamilton, would have predicted that.

How on earth can you even possibly, remotely say Hamilton is at fault for not predicting the unpredictable event that occured.

I didn't say Hill should slow down, I was merely pointing out your beyond ridiculous take on the situation, Hill in no way would assume a driver would take a wrecked car and throw it onto the track on purpose to take him out, hence he didn't, and hence Schumy smashed into him. No one suggested it was Hill's fault then, and in the same way no one should even come close to suggesting its Hamilton's fault.

At what point would "this guys about to smash into me, I should ruin my tyres, brake hard and forget that he can still turn into me before I've stopped" gone through button's mind to prevent him being hit? Answer is, never.
 
Lets just be glad sunama does not make the rules, imagine the chaos every time anyone overtook, the leading cars would be breaking so they could avoid a potential accident. ;)
 
Interesting that the onboard video has been uploaded without the preceding 5 seconds or so where Hamilton jinks out.

I would imagine that's what got him his reprimand, but the video starts after that point in time
 
I dont know why everyone is surprised Maldonado got off so lightly, the FIA set a precedent for this kind of incident at the FIA GT1 meeting at Silverstone earlier this year.

 
Stanners said:
Lets just be glad sunama does not make the rules, imagine the chaos every time anyone overtook, the leading cars would be breaking so they could avoid a potential accident. ;)
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Basically what I was thinking, you can't go around backing out, pulling over and generally racing as if everyone is trying to kill you, because no one would come out of their pit box frankly.

I mean, when you're on a motorway and theres a bend, does everyone stop, or drive off the road? No, everyone assumes, quite rightly, that everyone will stay in their lane and go around the bend. Motorways would be awful, and funny, if we had to do anything not straight single file at 4mph.
 
NathanE said:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/formula_one/14691403.stm

Onboard footage here of Hamilton. Around the 3min 20sec mark.

I'm absolutely stunned that the FIA hasn't banned Maldonaldo for that. He even goes onto the grass in front of Lewis so it was clear that the move was intentional!
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Yep pretty much, he used the car as a weapon. I'd have him sit out 3 races. I am at a loss as to what they possibly could have reprimanded Hamilton for.

Hopefully they will clear that up today.
 
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