Ben Shapiro v Andrew Neil

h4rm0ny said:
Didn't know about this. Thanks for sharing. I don't like Ben Shapiro much. I agree with him on some things, but his schtick is to try and say enough populist right wing things to get followers and interest and then to try and turn it into favourable neocon positions such as zionism, military spending and foreign adventurism. The Right in the USA is (very broadly) divided into two groups - populist, nationalist individuals (Trump's main support base) and the Zionist / Neocon ones (more of a group within a group). Shapiro is very much the latter. So for your typical nationalist populist Right Winger in the USA, they're not in favour of more US soldiers going abroad to die in somebody else's war and are sort of isolationist. Part of their support for Trump was the idea he'd stop doing what Obama did and sending troops into Syria etc. and instead bring them home. Whereas the Neocon lot are desperate to have US troops all over the place, want to park missiles all around Russia, etc. Ben Shapiro actually said he'd prefer Hillary to win over Trump but has since played down that sort of rhetoric in order to curry favour with the populist, nationalist Right. You always find he's suspiciously quiet about certain topics on immigration or foreign invasions unless he thinks he can get away with it. Saw a nice little table someone had compiled once.
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That list is frankly laughable on the American Nationalism or at least Trump's version.

Top Legislative Priority - yeah that is spot on. Make Latino migrants the new domestic enemy, stir up hatred to the point where at a rally crowd shouts that they wished someone would shoot them at the border and POTUS smiles. Remove reproductive rights from women at all costs. Have POTUS say that mothers and doctors have a chat after baby is born on whether to murder it or not.
Foreign Policy - suck up to dictators. End Iran nuclear deal and start hostilities with Iran. Send missile cruiser to Gulf to intimidate Iran. Iran is the new target.
Trade Policy - start trade wars that cost consumers $m and bail out farmers $b but that's not socialism because we hate socialism.
Economic Orientation - Say we serve middle Americans when other than a short term tax break that added 2 $t to deficit but gave massive breaks to cooperations that they used to buy back their own stocks and just ride the wave of economic growth Obama left us with but say its all down to us.
Attitude on Identity Politics- Reasonable if you are white, Christian or Jewish. Unreasonable if you are Muslim/brown.
Attitude to science - antivax which has resulted in the biggest outbreak of measles in decades and whooping cough which hadn't been seen since the 1950s
Attitude to tech censorship- Complex issue, open to regulation until right wing conspiracy theorists get banned then its an outrage First Amendment!!!!
Attitude on elites- Corrupt & not serving the public other than the fact the whole cabinet is full of elites.
The rest of the list is pointless.
 
Colonel_Klinck said:
Have POTUS say that mothers and doctors have a chat after baby is born on whether to murder it or not.
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I'm "pro choice" as it were, but you should look into late term abortions in America, there are limits to my acceptance of abortion and some of the things I heard that were happening are disturbing.
 
Is this the latest outrage for the UK? Sometimes I cannot tell the difference these days between the OcUK forums and twitter. Since just about everyone is raged and so tilted.
 
V F said:
Is this the latest outrage for the UK? Sometimes I cannot tell the difference these days between the OcUK forums and twitter. Since just about everyone is raged and so tilted.
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No it's nothing but a 3 second drop in the ocean, blown up into a todays tsunami.
 
dowie said:
Out of interest are you anti woman/pro forced carry of rape babies?
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I have to say I largely agree with JRM here. We either decide the life in utero should be protected at a certain stage or it should not. Its would not be permissible elsewhere to harm a living organism based on the actions of another person.


There will always be tough decisions to be made where the continuance of a pregnancy puts the health of the mother at risk but I can guarantee you that if we say you cant terminate past x months/weeks unless your (claim) you were raped you will suddenly find a quite sizeable increase in claims of rape amongst those seeking abortions.


A lot of radical feminists reject this notion anyway and insist a woman most be allowed to terminate a pregnancy at any time for any reason. The try to justify this by claiming that currently very few abortions are late term (which may be true) but this is rather irrelevant as to whether something should be illegal or not.

If you support late term abortions of healthy foetuses where there is no significant medical risk to either party then I would call your actions barbaric even if that child was the product of a rape.
 
I usually like some of what Ben talks about.

But he got uprooted and moved in this debate.

I don't think the American right are used to being questioned by the right-wing. It's very partisan in the US to the point I don't think many on the same side question each other.
 
V F said:
Is this the latest outrage for the UK? Sometimes I cannot tell the difference these days between the OcUK forums and twitter. Since just about everyone is raged and so tilted.
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No, it's one of those things very few people outside of social media actually give a toss about which seem to leak on to this forum fairly frequently. Just like milo poppadoms, jordan peterson and all the other "truth speakers" that resonate only with certain demographics whilst the rest of us just get on with life and try to ignore the incessant echo chamber that they create.

Any interview with the word "destroys", "annihilates" or any other synonym is catering towards morons who are generally incapable of forming their own opinions or have already formed them and seek validation.
 
Diddums said:
No, it's one of those things very few people outside of social media actually give a toss about which seem to leak on to this forum fairly frequently. Just like milo poppadoms, jordan peterson and all the other "truth speakers" that resonate only with certain demographics whilst the rest of us just get on with life and try to ignore the incessant echo chamber that they create.

Any interview with the word "destroys", "annihilates" or any other synonym is catering towards morons who are generally incapable of forming their own opinions or have already formed them and seek validation.
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Are you another that has failed to realise that such titles are the result of other people posting videos including these people?

Such hyperbolic titles are hardly limited to one poltical view.

But Peterson and Shapiro are the authors of quite successful books so their reach extends far beyond social media.

And nice casual racism with the deliberate misspelling of Milo's surname, adopted from his Greek paternal grandmother.
 
Caracus2k said:
Are you another that has failed to realise that such titles are the result of other people posting videos including these people?

Such hyperbolic titles are hardly limited to one poltical view.

But Peterson and Shapiro are the authors of quite successful books so their reach extends far beyond social media.

And nice casual racism with the deliberate misspelling of Milo's surname, adopted from his Greek paternal grandmother.
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Racism? Really? So if someone takes the mick out of my surname they're racist? I'm struggling to find your reply anything other than hilarious, not sure if that was your intention or not :D


And I stand by my post, take it how you want, I don't really care ¯\_(ツ)_/¯


Edit: as for you trying to defend these hyperbolic titles, let me make it clearer then:

Regardless of political views, anyone using that language to describe an interview is a moron. Anyone.
 
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Caracus2k said:
I have to say I largely agree with JRM here. We either decide the life in utero should be protected at a certain stage or it should not. Its would not be permissible elsewhere to harm a living organism based on the actions of another person.


There will always be tough decisions to be made where the continuance of a pregnancy puts the health of the mother at risk but I can guarantee you that if we say you cant terminate past x months/weeks unless your (claim) you were raped you will suddenly find a quite sizeable increase in claims of rape amongst those seeking abortions.


A lot of radical feminists reject this notion anyway and insist a woman most be allowed to terminate a pregnancy at any time for any reason. The try to justify this by claiming that currently very few abortions are late term (which may be true) but this is rather irrelevant as to whether something should be illegal or not.

If you support late term abortions of healthy foetuses where there is no significant medical risk to either party then I would call your actions barbaric even if that child was the product of a rape.
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What does that have to do with my post? Shapiro supports a ban on abortion including in cases of rape and incest, he considers human life to have begun once an embryo is formed.
 
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Lord-Jaffa said:
Come off it, I'm pro choice but the forced carrying of rape babies argument is at best, absolutely stupid.
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Are you just completely ignoring the context of that post? *hint* look at the post it was quoting and the post that was quoting....

Narj got it at least...

Caracus2k said:
I would have thought it was self evident.
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Well it isn't, perhaps you can explain. I don't have an issue with (sensible) time limits, I didn't mention time limits in my post, they're not relevant to the context of that post (Shapiro is anti abortion in general). My post had nothing to do with either JRM or time limits ergo why I've asked you what it had to do with my post?
 
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