Inflation is impossible not to take into account, net profit is revenue, less labour, less capital costs etc, so profit is pure profit ahead of inflation.
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Benifets to be a pirate gamer :(
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Inflation is impossible not to take into account, net profit is revenue, less labour, less capital costs etc, so profit is pure profit ahead of inflation.
If you look at PC gaming some of the best games have come from fans of the game (mods) Counter-Strike anyone? Natural Selection, the Quake 3 modding community, RTS games with loads of extra missions, custom maps, I could go on and on.
Pirates with modified 360s are beginning to get the benifets of a modding community based on fans of the game. Guitar Hero extra content is just the beginning.
It is a shame those of us that play legit miss out...
Pirates with modified 360s are beginning to get the benifets of a modding community based on fans of the game. Guitar Hero extra content is just the beginning.
It is a shame those of us that play legit miss out...
I wont stop because and I dont feel guilty. My games collection is pretty much out of control and I dont think any one could seriously say I was a blight on the industry.
This thread intrigued me as it points out the whole reason piracy is great. Its actually better than buying the real thing. You get it earlier and you dont even have to leave the house! With movies you can get them in HD when there not even out in HD in this country.
Stuff like American TV you cant even get even if you wanted to pay for it. Piracy basically just allows me to play all the games I would never have bought due to them being considered rubbish.
This thread intrigued me as it points out the whole reason piracy is great. Its actually better than buying the real thing. You get it earlier and you dont even have to leave the house! With movies you can get them in HD when there not even out in HD in this country.
Stuff like American TV you cant even get even if you wanted to pay for it. Piracy basically just allows me to play all the games I would never have bought due to them being considered rubbish.
Caporegime
OK, that still doesn't make it legal or even morally correct.
JaFFa said:
Yeah, I see what you mean, but I think this would be better solved if things weren't region coded and if worldwide release dates were simulataneous.
JaFFa said:
Yeah, that's a tough call. If there's demand for it, they should make it possible for UK people to watch it. I guess they figure there's not enough demand, but you'd think that with the Internet there would be a way. Like the iPlayer but for American TV. Pay to watch stuff, whatever.
JaFFa said:
That's dumb. If it's good enough for you to want to play it, then surely it's good enough to pay for.
Soldato
I agree 100%.
Looking at the link from NextGen is amusing. They say that the money is lost revenue. What is missing from all of the anti 2nd hand arguments is that dev's factor in all the costs for marketing, distribution and production in advance of sales. Surely by one piece of software being sold legally over and over again they are getting free advertising, brand reinforcement etce etc every single time it changes hands. All of which was factored in at the point of the first sale.
NextGen Article said:
So how do companies like Ford exist. If they have a new car on the forecourt at £15k and the second hand dealership across the road is selling the exact same model, age and warranty with a few more miles on it for a couple of thousand less. Ford still benefit in kind from the 2nd hand car being sold
Developers should look to work closer with the retail part of the games industry or go completely to digitial delivery
Now that's dumb, I want to give many games a go, but not pay for them.
Torrents can have an element of risk, but Newsgroup with SSL encryption, nice and safe.
You can also pretend someone tapped into your wireless and downloaded it using your connection, not sure how this would hold up though...that said it won't come to that because I use SSL.
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If im not sure about a game ill either download/rent it, if i enjoy it then ill buy it.
I would purchase a lot more games if so much rubbish wasnt released as i enjoy having the originals in a nice collection (40+ 360 games and counting).
I would purchase a lot more games if so much rubbish wasnt released as i enjoy having the originals in a nice collection (40+ 360 games and counting).
Soldato
Heard of Demos?
I can't say that I've never downloaded a game, but recently I've paid for every single game I've got. I know if I want to pay for the game, because I played the demos. Downloading the whole game to "try" it just really doesn't stand up.
So hang on.. if *less* games where made, then you'd buy more of them?
You don't pay for the decent games, because there's also some bad games out there?
Again, you're spouting piffle.
Soldato
Heard of games that don't have demos? I pirate lots of games. Neverwinter Nights 2 most recently. I thoroughly enjoyed playing that, and I now have it and the expansion sitting on my shelf of games.
Demos are a good idea, but the problem is with what they are. They are designed to make you want to buy the full game, obviously. But this means they are going to include the best bits of the game, for all you know the rest might be rather rubbish.
These threads are always the same, though. One side supports piracy, one doesn't. Nothing you say will change my mind, and vice versa. People just get angry.
Demos are a good idea, but the problem is with what they are. They are designed to make you want to buy the full game, obviously. But this means they are going to include the best bits of the game, for all you know the rest might be rather rubbish.
These threads are always the same, though. One side supports piracy, one doesn't. Nothing you say will change my mind, and vice versa. People just get angry.
Soldato
Some demos show bad bits. Bioshock being an example. Didn't think anything of the demo at all but after reading reviews etc I bought it straight away and don't regret not trying a warez version first(DRM didn't put me of either).
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No, i'm saying if there were more titles worth buying then i would gladly put my money into the industry buying them, however with the same garbage being released each year under the guise of 07 08 09 then i'll spend my money elsewhere.
Give me more titles like Baldurs gate, Mass Effect and any other fantastic game and they will get my money.
Besides if you read the post correctly, i said i would buy more games, if more games were released that were premium titles, no idea where you got the less games released thing from, clearly reading comprehension > you.
Soldato
Soldato
well.. of course
if I go into a shop and it has nothing I like, I won't buy anything.
What I fail to see however, is how this comment makes it alright for you to pirate the games you didn't buy?
If you're going to use that analogy, why is it you can't see that downloading a game to try it before you buy it makes certain logical sense?well.. of course
if I go into a shop and it has nothing I like, I won't buy anything.
Soldato
can i sum this up so far?
* pirating games is destroying the industry. this we know. you cant plumb $100m in to development if you arent going to recoup the costs, let alone make a profit.
* pirating makes them no money. none at all and in the case of the consoles sold at a loss, its costing them in that regards alone.
* 2nd hand sales are making them money. but only the price of a single game, sold once. they make nothing for subsequent re-sales of that copy.
erm, well there isnt anything else really is there? just people arguing over morality for a couple of pages lol.
i believe, somewhat controversially possibly, that what sony are trying to do is wrong, for the reasons they probably want to do it, anyway. if done correctly, they have the chance to lower the price of the games making it more attractive to buy new. Say they drop a £40 game to £30. costs me £10 less - all good. but critically, they could potentially make a lot more money from the people who might otherwise have only considered going second hand. good for me, good for them.
there is of course the small issue of not being able to sell your games, which unfortunately i have no answer for
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it does, but on the premise that you delete the download and/or buy the original. if a pirte likes a game, there isnt much chance of him buying it if he's already downloaded it unless there is a critical feature he can only really use if he goes legit. ie, online play which is about the only thing it hinges on right now.
* pirating games is destroying the industry. this we know. you cant plumb $100m in to development if you arent going to recoup the costs, let alone make a profit.
* pirating makes them no money. none at all and in the case of the consoles sold at a loss, its costing them in that regards alone.
* 2nd hand sales are making them money. but only the price of a single game, sold once. they make nothing for subsequent re-sales of that copy.
erm, well there isnt anything else really is there? just people arguing over morality for a couple of pages lol.
i believe, somewhat controversially possibly, that what sony are trying to do is wrong, for the reasons they probably want to do it, anyway. if done correctly, they have the chance to lower the price of the games making it more attractive to buy new. Say they drop a £40 game to £30. costs me £10 less - all good. but critically, they could potentially make a lot more money from the people who might otherwise have only considered going second hand. good for me, good for them.
there is of course the small issue of not being able to sell your games, which unfortunately i have no answer for
.it does, but on the premise that you delete the download and/or buy the original. if a pirte likes a game, there isnt much chance of him buying it if he's already downloaded it unless there is a critical feature he can only really use if he goes legit. ie, online play which is about the only thing it hinges on right now.
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Well its that moral question I guess, do you buy it or not? I'm not much of a gamer anymore, but certainly in terms of music - I download it to listen to first. If I like it, I buy it. If I don't like it, I delete it. It's that simple really. It's saved me a lot of money in the past, given some of the absolute ***** churned out by musicians.
Can a mod correct the spelling in the thread title? It's irritating.
Get a life
Soldato
I agree with this statement, if
a) there's no demo available for said game (unlikely)
b) you do actually *buy* the game afterwards.
I doubt many of the pro-pirates in here have paid for each game they've downloaded and enjoyed. As a "convert" myself, I know I never used to.