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BenQ XL2420T or Samsung S23A700/750D
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It doesnt matter who you are what you do my friend.
I dont wish to waste my time reading anything but your first line but at the end of the day;
I have compared both monitors in question closely and in person before making a purchase and spending £300. And chose the BenQ based on the fact it felt more CRT like and slightly more smooth and instant and I wanted to use it for gaming.
I gave the OP my advice and opinion based on my experience and myself being in the same situation as him that imo the BenQ would be the monitor to get because it is designed exactly for what he wants (a CRT like monitor to play Counter Strike and other games) And is better for that than the Samsung which is aimed and designed more for 3d and better colour accuracy than gaming and absolute minimal input lag/crt like performance, not that its bad atall it is very good. But after comparing in person the BenQ was definetly slightly better in that sense and the reaoson I bought it.
You then basically tell me im talking rubbish and that im wrong.... When you havent even tried both monitors yourself. And you say because you are a super tester that you are right and I am wrong???
You are quite frankly insulting and need to check you manners and you own look on things because your telling me im wrong or talking nonsense when that is exactly what you are doing in telling me that because you haven't even compared them like I have.
Dont wish to speak to you anymore as you must always be right in your mind even when you havent even witnessed one of the monitors in question yet and I have both.
I dont wish to waste my time reading anything but your first line but at the end of the day;
I have compared both monitors in question closely and in person before making a purchase and spending £300. And chose the BenQ based on the fact it felt more CRT like and slightly more smooth and instant and I wanted to use it for gaming.
I gave the OP my advice and opinion based on my experience and myself being in the same situation as him that imo the BenQ would be the monitor to get because it is designed exactly for what he wants (a CRT like monitor to play Counter Strike and other games) And is better for that than the Samsung which is aimed and designed more for 3d and better colour accuracy than gaming and absolute minimal input lag/crt like performance, not that its bad atall it is very good. But after comparing in person the BenQ was definetly slightly better in that sense and the reaoson I bought it.
You then basically tell me im talking rubbish and that im wrong.... When you havent even tried both monitors yourself. And you say because you are a super tester that you are right and I am wrong???
You are quite frankly insulting and need to check you manners and you own look on things because your telling me im wrong or talking nonsense when that is exactly what you are doing in telling me that because you haven't even compared them like I have.
Dont wish to speak to you anymore as you must always be right in your mind even when you havent even witnessed one of the monitors in question yet and I have both.
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I edited my post, by the way, but clearly too late. And I am clearly not your friend 
. I am in one of those moods at the moment. You know - where you are completely unreasonable and that you should never really post on forums in. I have also added some suggestions which Melmac should find useful with any luck.
. I am in one of those moods at the moment. You know - where you are completely unreasonable and that you should never really post on forums in. I have also added some suggestions which Melmac should find useful with any luck.
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Yes very convenient
I dont like to argue about such stupid things but you was quite insulting in saying what you were...
If someone just gives some advice and their opinion on something to someone, you shouldn't belittle them and tell them they are speaking nonsense or they are wrong, very rude tbh. Specially when its clearly not the case and you who is just in all honestly being rude and insulting for no reason, and actually speaking complete nonsense and wrong yourself in saying what you were about me.
I dont like to argue about such stupid things but you was quite insulting in saying what you were...
If someone just gives some advice and their opinion on something to someone, you shouldn't belittle them and tell them they are speaking nonsense or they are wrong, very rude tbh. Specially when its clearly not the case and you who is just in all honestly being rude and insulting for no reason, and actually speaking complete nonsense and wrong yourself in saying what you were about me.
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Well it was quite out of character and I can only apologise. I usually avoid coming on here when I'm in such a self-righteous and frankly quite rotten mood. Ironically enough it is all the fault of the BenQ XL2420T. Ok perhaps not all, I don't get that emotionally attached to objects. 
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No worries Im not in the best mood either or I wouldn't argue full stop 
Im not in the best mood either or I wouldn't argue full stop Hey Pancake, PCM2 knows his stuff! You, however, are just pulling advantages out of thin air.
The BenQ XL2410T was one of the worse 120hz monitors for "pro" gaming, and i would not be surprised if the XL2420T is too... so let me 'perhaps' blow your mind... turn AMA on and sidestep any object or corner in your beloved Counter Strike without touching your mouse, this is what is referred too as overdrive trailing/rtc overshoot/corona effect/inverse color trailing. If you've turned it off as a result, congratulations you're running at an effective 5ms, if you leave it on... well you're at 2ms (g2g) but have a "wtf is that on my screen" moment at all times.
I, like many others, am still waiting for PCM2's review of the XL2420T, because who knows... maybe they've fixed it (customer reviews say otherwise). Unfortunately however, you probably have no idea what i just wrote about and so maybe pay him a little respect as he actually knows what he's talking about, and what actually makes a good monitor for gamers... low input lag isn't the only key area.
In response to the OP, i am in the same boat. I'm using a first generation 120hz panel from Viewsonic, and although fantastic, isn't full HD (video editing etc). I'd upgrade to the BenQ XL2420T if they've fixed the AMA issue i outlined above, but if not, you'd take the Samsung... assuming you can deal with a glossy panel.
The BenQ XL2410T was one of the worse 120hz monitors for "pro" gaming, and i would not be surprised if the XL2420T is too... so let me 'perhaps' blow your mind... turn AMA on and sidestep any object or corner in your beloved Counter Strike without touching your mouse, this is what is referred too as overdrive trailing/rtc overshoot/corona effect/inverse color trailing. If you've turned it off as a result, congratulations you're running at an effective 5ms, if you leave it on... well you're at 2ms (g2g) but have a "wtf is that on my screen" moment at all times.
I, like many others, am still waiting for PCM2's review of the XL2420T, because who knows... maybe they've fixed it (customer reviews say otherwise). Unfortunately however, you probably have no idea what i just wrote about and so maybe pay him a little respect as he actually knows what he's talking about, and what actually makes a good monitor for gamers... low input lag isn't the only key area.
In response to the OP, i am in the same boat. I'm using a first generation 120hz panel from Viewsonic, and although fantastic, isn't full HD (video editing etc). I'd upgrade to the BenQ XL2420T if they've fixed the AMA issue i outlined above, but if not, you'd take the Samsung... assuming you can deal with a glossy panel.
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With AMA off when you move something fast across the screen like text and look close you can see the individual frames, with AMA on it leaves a miniscule trail about half a mm and hides the frame as it were and blends it together so its one smooth image going across the screen and appears even more than 120hz and just smooth like a CRT.
With text this is the tiniest bit noticeable, and with it off you can see the frames if you look close.
But with an actual image like a game it makes the picture as smooth as possible and as smooth as silk....just like a CRT, it doesnt do what the hell you are saying it does you complete fool so now stop pulling stuff out of your behind and go talk complete rubbish somewhere else.
When you have AMA on its makes the picture move across the screen like a CRT, I dont know wtf you are talking about and if it refers to the old model but you are completely wrong with this monitor my friend, most 120hz monitors have a feature like this because it makes the picture even more smooth, some you can control it and turn it on and off some you cant, you seriously are a fool and talking complete rubbish, AMA improves the smoothness of the picture .
This is the 20, the 10 had a few niggles like backlight bleed and poor colour, and although very responsive and crt like had a few area's of performance wher it could improve.
The 20 has done that the best it can and cant really get better..... its the best 120hz out for gaming right now and has improved on everything from the older model.
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"If you've turned it off as a result, congratulations you're running at an effective 5ms, if you leave it on... well you're at 2ms (g2g) but have a "wtf is that on my screen" moment at all times."
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And I have actually heard that quote from somewhere else on the net with someone talking about the XL2410T when I was looking at reviews and feeback form the old model before I knew this was available.
So what you have gone and done is read something on the internet about the old model of this monitor and then come to me who has compared and rideculed multiple monitors before buying including the 2 in question and told me im pulling stuff out of thin air?
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EDIT; Turns out I was right and you have just posted in another thread...
What is wrong with you? You dont even own the monitor and have just looked something up on the internet about the old model written by one person and tried to come here and lecture me on it and tell me the same thing is wrong with this model????
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All i can say is the samsung 700D from Germany has worked out great for me. The monitor feels so smooth and responsive, and its just awsome to look at. Though my 260gtx sli only get about 20fps in 3d on wow and im not even sure Counterstrike appeared in the 3d start up thing samsung has,
Please, I have travelled to several events in Europe competing and/or commentating on various tournaments... players are more than disappointed with the original BenQ and tournament admins have had nightmares about their whine i'm sure... particularly from Quake players that don't play slow games like CS because the trailing behind objects as people move around the map is horrific, to be as polite as possible. There are many other monitors that are unfortunately more highly regarded in the pro-gaming scene, and you'd be wrong to try and argue that.
I've also owned the XL2410T myself for just 2 days before i had to return it, and had contact with a BenQ rep who's response to the issue was: "we didn't test the monitor in quake as it's not a relevant game" (Ha!). So don't try and turn an argument around towards me because you have anger management issues. The original had a huge issue with AMA on, there's no denying that, which is why many can't yet recommend the new monitor without seeing legit reviews like PCM2's. I have no idea why you feel the need to argue it, especially when BenQ are super slow at sending out review panels, makes you wonder why really... they have a reputation amongst the better informed to rebuild. All that happens with people like you, is that the wrong information often gets spread across the Internet, and we end up with not just one sheep (you), but a whole herd.
The point is that, how is someone like you qualified to give advice when you have absolutely no idea what I'm talking about from the previous model - yet you say it's improved in every aspect? That comes across as complete rubbish. Nobody in this thread has said it has that same issue, but nobody has denied it either, we are (or I am) simply offering that safety net for a buyer to be prepared for.
I have no faith in anything you've said in this thread, so I'll wait for PCM2 to confirm or deny my fears in his review, since he and many others are more intelligent than you and your untrained eyes, unfortunately.
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I feel sorry for the OP, he will be more confused now than before he asked the question I should think.
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yes to put it bluntly you're annoying me too pancakesniffer. Considering you're a pretty new member on here and you're questioning the opinions of respected posters, especially PCM2 who is mr monitor himself. The forum's meant to be friendly so chill out, it's only a monitor for god sake at the end of the day
Ok, Everyone settle down 
I didn't think my question would cause an argument!! I am not taking any sides here, but there are a few things that I do know as fact. Like NVC said I have heard from steam friends that the 2410T wasn't great for FPS gaming. In fact, just like NVC, all of them returned theirs. They are back playing on their CRT's.
Pancakesniffer, thanks for your comments, but I really don't know how you could do a proper test of a monitor in store. Did you bring in your computer and hook it up to all three monitors and then try games on them? Or had they the monitors hooked up to different computers and you just played on them that way? I'm only asking because I have never seen this done before, if there is a shop that lets you setup games and stuff and play on them for a few hours before you buy that would be ideal. And they let you play online against people? This is must for me, because it's in multiplayer that I notice the response time most. Heck I don't think it's even possible to notice this in single player games. I am sure you could measure smoothness, colours and how well it handles fast motion etc in single player games.
But glad to hear you are very happy with yours. And the fact that you seen them all in store and picked the benq means that they must have improved on everything just like you said. And you are right, I am looking for the best monitor for FPS games, especially cs:s, but, I don't trust any of these designed by gamers for gamers monitors. It's just marketing crap. And it's obivious you feel very strongly that it is the best monitor out there at the moment for gaming, and you are actually using the monitor!! Your passion for it has actually stopped me going out and buying the 700D for the moment.
PCM2, I have found you a little condescending in some of the posts. Pancakesniffer was only posting his thoughts about his monitor. It's subjective I know, but still he has actually used the monitor which gives his opinion a little added weight. Saying all that, I do appreciate your comments, I know that you do a lot of testing of monitors and have a lot of valuable insight to give. I am waiting for your review of the benq before pulling the trigger. I also agree with you in one thing, I am not doubting Pancakesniffer, but I don't know how you could do a proper test of three monitors in a store. It's just like TV's, it's not until you get them home and use them for hours that their flaws are revealed. The 700D is probably the way to go, but getting the monitor from Germany is just a pain in the ass. Hope you can get to do your review soon so I can finally see some real figures
Currently I a leaning towards the 700D, it's just so much cheaper. And Dan_the_man has made the exact move that I am thinking of. He used to have the samsung 997MB and now has the 750D. He thinks the move was worth it. If he has found that the 750d is better than his old CRT then I don't know how the benq can improve on that.
Again, thanks everyone for the replies. It's always good to hear everyone's views.
I didn't think my question would cause an argument!! I am not taking any sides here, but there are a few things that I do know as fact. Like NVC said I have heard from steam friends that the 2410T wasn't great for FPS gaming. In fact, just like NVC, all of them returned theirs. They are back playing on their CRT's. Pancakesniffer, thanks for your comments, but I really don't know how you could do a proper test of a monitor in store. Did you bring in your computer and hook it up to all three monitors and then try games on them? Or had they the monitors hooked up to different computers and you just played on them that way? I'm only asking because I have never seen this done before, if there is a shop that lets you setup games and stuff and play on them for a few hours before you buy that would be ideal. And they let you play online against people? This is must for me, because it's in multiplayer that I notice the response time most. Heck I don't think it's even possible to notice this in single player games. I am sure you could measure smoothness, colours and how well it handles fast motion etc in single player games.
But glad to hear you are very happy with yours. And the fact that you seen them all in store and picked the benq means that they must have improved on everything just like you said. And you are right, I am looking for the best monitor for FPS games, especially cs:s, but, I don't trust any of these designed by gamers for gamers monitors. It's just marketing crap. And it's obivious you feel very strongly that it is the best monitor out there at the moment for gaming, and you are actually using the monitor!! Your passion for it has actually stopped me going out and buying the 700D for the moment.
PCM2, I have found you a little condescending in some of the posts. Pancakesniffer was only posting his thoughts about his monitor. It's subjective I know, but still he has actually used the monitor which gives his opinion a little added weight. Saying all that, I do appreciate your comments, I know that you do a lot of testing of monitors and have a lot of valuable insight to give. I am waiting for your review of the benq before pulling the trigger. I also agree with you in one thing, I am not doubting Pancakesniffer, but I don't know how you could do a proper test of three monitors in a store. It's just like TV's, it's not until you get them home and use them for hours that their flaws are revealed. The 700D is probably the way to go, but getting the monitor from Germany is just a pain in the ass. Hope you can get to do your review soon so I can finally see some real figures
Currently I a leaning towards the 700D, it's just so much cheaper. And Dan_the_man has made the exact move that I am thinking of. He used to have the samsung 997MB and now has the 750D. He thinks the move was worth it. If he has found that the 750d is better than his old CRT then I don't know how the benq can improve on that.
Again, thanks everyone for the replies. It's always good to hear everyone's views.
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I just dont get it.. all I did was talk nicely about my monitor in a thread which asked a question about it when I was in the same situation and give the op my advice and opinion...
What did I do for this guy to come along and tell me im completely wrong and not allowed to do that or im not 'qualified' to just talk about it?
And then tell me it infact has something wrong with it that hes just read on the internet that is about a completely different monitor and he hasnt actually got the monitor.
Sorry I cant see where I went wrong... I thought this is what forums are for? The op had a query about something, I had been in the same situation and experienced it and gave him my opinion and advice.... did nothing wrong in the slightest to get people telling me im wrong (which is impossible to be wrong about my genuine opinion based on my experience when the guys in question have never even seen the monitor) or not allowed to talk about such a simple thing?
At the end of the day this is all I did... and then I get two guys coming at me like its their time of the month saying im completely wrong and pulling things from nowhere and im talking rubbish and that im not allowed to or not qualified to say stuff about a monitor?
Just gave my opinion and advice on the monitor as advice... really what is wrong with that?
What did I do for this guy to come along and tell me im completely wrong and not allowed to do that or im not 'qualified' to just talk about it?
And then tell me it infact has something wrong with it that hes just read on the internet that is about a completely different monitor and he hasnt actually got the monitor.
Sorry I cant see where I went wrong... I thought this is what forums are for? The op had a query about something, I had been in the same situation and experienced it and gave him my opinion and advice.... did nothing wrong in the slightest to get people telling me im wrong (which is impossible to be wrong about my genuine opinion based on my experience when the guys in question have never even seen the monitor) or not allowed to talk about such a simple thing?
At the end of the day this is all I did... and then I get two guys coming at me like its their time of the month saying im completely wrong and pulling things from nowhere and im talking rubbish and that im not allowed to or not qualified to say stuff about a monitor?
Just gave my opinion and advice on the monitor as advice... really what is wrong with that?
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Ok, Everyone settle down
Pancakesniffer, thanks for your comments, but I really don't know how you could do a proper test of a monitor in store. Did you bring in your computer and hook it up to all three monitors and then try games on them? Or had they the monitors hooked up to different computers and you just played on them that way? I'm only asking because I have never seen this done before, if there is a shop that lets you setup games and stuff and play on them for a few hours before you buy that would be ideal. And they let you play online against people? This is must for me, because it's in multiplayer that I notice the response time most. Heck I don't think it's even possible to notice this in single player games. I am sure you could measure smoothness, colours and how well it handles fast motion etc in single player games.
But glad to hear you are very happ with yours. And the fact that you seen them all in store and picked the benq means that they must have improved on everything just like you said. And you are right, I am looking for the best monitor for FPS games, especially cs:s, but, I don't trust any of these designed by gamers for gamers monitors. It's just marketing crap. And it's obivious you feel very strongly that it is the best monitor out there at the moment for gaming, and you are actually using the monitor!! Your passion for it has actually stopped me going out and buying the 700D for the moment.
PCM2, I have found you a little condescending in some of the posts. Pancakesniffer was only posting his thoughts about his monitor. It's subjective I know, but still he has actually used the monitor which gives his opinion a little added weight. Saying all that, I do appreciate your comments, I know that you do a lot of testing of monitors and have a lot of valuable insight to give. I am waiting for your review of the benq before pulling the trigger. I also agree with you in one thing, I am not doubting Pancakesniffer, but I don't know how you could do a proper test of three monitors in a store. It's just like TV's, it's not until you get them home and use them for hours that their flaws are revealed. The 700D is probably the way to go, but getting the monitor from Germany is just a pain in the ass. Hope you can get to do your review soon so I can finally see some real figures
Currently I a leaning towards the 700D, it's just so much cheaper. And Dan_the_man has made the exact move that I am thinking of. He used to have the samsung 997MB and now has the 750D. He thinks the move was worth it. If he has found that the 750d is better than his old CRT then I don't know how the benq can improve on that.
Again, thanks everyone for the replies. It's always good to hear everyone's views.
Well I'm glad you've managed to trawl through all of that and pick out some good points from everyone to help you out. This thread is a good case in point of how some animosity can lead to further animosity and it is never constructive. I have gathered a lot of feedback from users of the SA950 and SA750 series of monitors who really resonate the opinion of 'Dan_the_man'. Generally the more they use it the more they like it. There are always some people who won't be able to accept the limitations of the TN panel technology and for them this decision is always more difficult. I suppose in a way you are in a fortunate position from what you said earlier about being able to control your lighting properly - it means you can enjoy the clear benefits (pun intended) of the Samsung's Ultra Clear Panel without significant drawbacks.
As bigbeard said, you just went a little overboard in your defence. I might have reacted the same way once upon a time, but I try not to anymore. Arguments are good, there is nothing wrong with have a contructive debate about something, but name calling and getting personal isn't.
And I really think most people on this thread wonder how you can do a good test of a monitor in store. I certainly would love to know what store, or if you could answer some of the questions I asked in my last post, I really would appreciate it
As bigbeard said, you just went a little overboard in your defence. I might have reacted the same way once upon a time, but I try not to anymore. Arguments are good, there is nothing wrong with have a contructive debate about something, but name calling and getting personal isn't.
And I really think most people on this thread wonder how you can do a good test of a monitor in store. I certainly would love to know what store, or if you could answer some of the questions I asked in my last post, I really would appreciate it
Lighting in a store would be a nightmare for me to get a good demo. I really wish I could find any retail store locally that had even heard of the monitors in question.
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Yeh but I didnt just post my opinion and someone disagreed
I posted my opinion which wasnt even outrageous or outlandish in the slightest and just my opinion based on actual experience and two guys came at me like I had done something wrong and being very rude told me I am speaking rubbish and pulling stuff out of thin air (I dont see how? I never gave any false numbers or anything like that just my honest opinion............) and im not allowed to give my opinion on something because im not qualified and a big lecture on irrelevant things?
Yeh.... if thats how it works I guess next time I see a thread which is about something I was in the same situation with and I have been and done that I shouldnt simply share my experience and light hearted opinion because im not allowed or qualified to and I am talking rubbish and pulling information out of nowhere if I do :s