Best Bang for Buck! Nvidia or AMD now..

Rusty0611 · 30 Sep 2014 at 18:11

Jono8 said:
Well at the high end, the 970's price point sort of makes the 290 and 290x redundant.

I cried myself to sleep when the 970 released so soon after I got the 290. It took many days of convincing myself that my 290 is actually a flaming good one to convince myself

Ayahuasca · 30 Sep 2014 at 18:12

At least 30-50% is quite a bold statement when there's no info whether AMD's next card will be 28 or 20nm. I really doubt you'll see a 50% increase over a 970 on AMD's equivalently priced sub £300 card, especially if it's still 28nm.

win8.1 · 30 Sep 2014 at 18:14

Rusty0611 said:
Oh for goodness sake give it a rest. You're just repeating yourself.

I will as it will at least stop you from doing the same thankfully.

Jamielicious · 30 Sep 2014 at 18:16

At the minute it depends on your budget as Nvidia have moved the "bang for buck" goalposts. To get the best value deal you have to now spend £259.99.

For anyone looking closer to £159.99 there's been nothing much to see for nearly 2 years.

Actually looking at pricing for the more mainstream offerings AMD and Nvidia are neck and neck under £200. The 760 and 770 are matched for bang and for buck by the 280 and 280X.

The less said about 285 and 290 the better. Both seem to offer poor value, especially the 285.

tayto_0 · 30 Sep 2014 at 18:16

Guys give it a rest. Both of you are boring the **** out of me.

win8.1 · 30 Sep 2014 at 18:19

Ayahuasca said:
At least 30-50% is quite a bold statement when there's no info whether AMD's next card will be 28 or 20nm. I really doubt you'll see a 50% increase over a 970 on AMD's equivalently priced sub £300 card, especially if it's still 28nm.

Can you see Amd releasing the 390 at only 10-20% more performance than the 290 one year + on?

Ayahuasca · 30 Sep 2014 at 18:21

win8.1 said:
Can you see Amd releasing the 390 at only 10-20% more performance than the 290 one year + on?

The 290 was only around 20-30% better than a 7970 on release. 30-50% at the end of 28nm lifespan would be a miracle.

If it's 20nm then it might be possible.

Rusty0611 · 30 Sep 2014 at 18:22

win8.1 said:
I will as it will at least stop you from doing the same thankfully.

OK toodles.

Ayahuasca said:
At least 30-50% is quite a bold statement when there's no info whether AMD's next card will be 28 or 20nm. I really doubt you'll see a 50% increase over a 970 on AMD's equivalently priced sub £300 card, especially if it's still 28nm.

It's an 'educated' guess by the lad though

. I think it's quite optimistic too. Time will tell on that front but I think the days of big generational boosts are sadly gone for now.

tayto_0 said:
Guys give it a rest. Both of you are boring the **** out of me.

That post certainly helped

.

win8.1 · 30 Sep 2014 at 18:37

Ayahuasca said:
The 290 was only around 20-30% better than a 7970 on release. 30-50% at the end of 28nm lifespan would be a miracle.

If it's 20nm then it might be possible.

Even if it was only 30% on 28nm that's nothing to be sniffed at.

Ayahuasca · 30 Sep 2014 at 18:38

Not saying it isn't but if the next one is 28nm they'll find it very hard to gain 30-50% "educated guess" that you quoted over a 970.

win8.1 · 30 Sep 2014 at 18:43

Ayahuasca said:
Not saying it isn't but if the next one is 28nm they'll find it very hard to gain 30-50% "educated guess" that you quoted.

30% will still be inside my educated guesstimate.

If I am wrong and Amd do not keep up to track record because of 28nm limitations I won't be buying the 390.

CAT-THE-FIFTH · 30 Sep 2014 at 18:49

If its the next three months,AMD will have an R9 380X out in February it seems.

ATM,the GTX970 does look a good bet at £250 to £300. I would only be getting an R9 290 it you need it for specific AMD specific features(Mantle for example) or OpenCL performance or want to run a game which does run much better on it when compared to a GTX970.

Also,the current SLI drivers for the GTX900 series do look a bit immature if you intend to go dual card.

Below £200 its a bit of a wash ATM TBH.

Ayahuasca · 30 Sep 2014 at 18:49

Still inside your massive ranged 30-50% guess, that's quite a difference and as said the 290 was only 20-30% better than a 7970, not 30% in everything.

It could also be 6 months away, by that time why not just wait another 6 months for the next best card? Your arguments are pretty much flawed by a lot of guessing and waiting around.

If you're going to compare the 390 to a 290 then the 970 should be compared with a 770 on those grounds as they are both "mid ranged" remember and it's the same 20-30% between a 770 and a 970. Just the same way a 980 is around 20-30% better than a 780, and the 980ti will likely be around the same compared to a 780ti.

win8.1 · 30 Sep 2014 at 19:06

Ayahuasca said:
Still inside your massive ranged 30-50% guess, that's quite a difference and as said the 290 was only 20-30% better than a 7970, not 30% in everything.

It could also be 6 months away, by that time why not just wait another 6 months for the next best card? Your arguments are pretty much flawed by a lot of guessing and waiting around.

If you're going to compare the 390 to a 290 then the 970 should be compared with a 770 on those grounds as they are both "mid ranged" remember and it's the same 20-30% between a 770 and a 970. Just the same way a 980 is around 20-30% better than a 780, and the 980ti will likely be around the same compared to a 780ti.

I did not say it has to be 30% faster than Amd's last high gen in everything. It could be slightly less in some things and more on other things. Also waiting after Amd or Nvidia release their full fat cards for 6 months for the next big card would not be sensible but waiting now would because of the length of time between the last high gen and now.

Ayahuasca · 30 Sep 2014 at 19:11

You said 30-50% which means everything would have to be inside that range otherwise it would be 20-50% wouldn't it or 10-50%. Nothing like changing the goalposts to suit your own guess eh?

You don't know what is due for the future, AMD could release their cards in 3-6 months and nvidia may release their 20nm cards 3-6 months after that. Playing the waiting game in the tech world is never ending. This is why nearly everyone but you has recommended the OP buy a 970 now and enjoy a better experience now. If you hadn't noticed the OP had already ordered a 970 before you told him to wait on AMD's next card anyway.

win8.1 · 30 Sep 2014 at 19:15

Bottom line is if the OP is coming from a lower card and can't wait 3 months or a bit more for the real high end cards get the 970. If he can he will get much better value for money/performance then for the same price.

Ayahuasca · 30 Sep 2014 at 19:16

That just proves you haven't even read the thread. Check the end of my post above.

win8.1 · 30 Sep 2014 at 19:20

Ayahuasca said:
That just proves you haven't even read the thread. Check the end of my post above.

That's ok. He will get much better performance than a 5870 even if he would have got much more in not a big length of time.

Ayahuasca · 30 Sep 2014 at 19:25

That would have been another 3-6 months of sub standard gaming though waiting around. I don't think I need to reiterate again that waiting for more performance is a never ending game.

Mal X · 30 Sep 2014 at 19:27

Ayahuasca said:
Not saying it isn't but if the next one is 28nm they'll find it very hard to gain 30-50% "educated guess" that you quoted over a 970.

a 30 to 50% power increase from a ``stop gap card`` quickly rushed out the door doesn't feel right..... only next year from their new range.

a smart person will buy the GTX 970 now and if he wants loads more power, another one next month.

now that's a lot better than a Wonga loan isn't it