Best nas for media storage.!

kvnwds43 · 7 Aug 2019 at 13:15

Steveocee said:
The RAID obsession is killing me. Why not a 14TB disk to store your data on and another 14TB disk to back up to? Half the components, half the power usage, half the heat, half the risk of a component dying.

Well i suppose there's that option too! Thanks for the advice folks.!

skyripper · 7 Aug 2019 at 13:49

kvnwds43 said:
That seems a good idea thanks for that i reckon I've got approx 7tb of movies so i could do with double that to allow for expansion, so if i had say 2x7tb in a raid 0 then suppose I'd need the same again in another raid0 for backup.?

Two different things here.
RAID is to protect against your hardware going pop and you losing service. (RAID0 doesnt protect against anything by the way)
Backup is to protect against your application or user doing something stupid.

Steveocee makes a very good point, if you need 14TB of space, and 14TB disks are affordable, then that's your simplest answer.
Theres a sweet spot of £/TB which changes constantly with new drive releases as to whether to have a small number of big drives.. or a bigger number of smaller drives.
But more drives does add all the other variables; power; risk; noise; physical space; increased controller demands.

For watching Blurays on a thursday evening.. simpler is probably better.

kvnwds43 · 7 Aug 2019 at 19:18

skyripper said:
Two different things here.
RAID is to protect against your hardware going pop and you losing service. (RAID0 doesnt protect against anything by the way)
Backup is to protect against your application or user doing something stupid.

Thinking about it im probably better off going with 20tb at least as I've a load of photographs to put on as well as music, i don't want to not have much headroom and get 14TB and then wish I'd had 20 tb.!
In that respect if i got 20tb I'd be better off with 2x10tb in a raid 0. Then back up drives.!
Steveocee makes a very good point, if you need 14TB of space, and 14TB disks are affordable, then that's your simplest answer.
Theres a sweet spot of £/TB which changes constantly with new drive releases as to whether to have a small number of big drives.. or a bigger number of smaller drives.
But more drives does add all the other variables; power; risk; noise; physical space; increased controller demands.

For watching Blurays on a thursday evening.. simpler is probably better.

kvnwds43 · 7 Aug 2019 at 19:49

Looking at it.... I think I'd be better off with 20tb as I've also got music and photographs on too..... Then i need back up for 20tb too.!
If i did that i suppose I'd be looking at 2 x 10tb in a raid 0, then back up.!

Kainz · 7 Aug 2019 at 21:02

kvnwds43 said:
I was thinking of a qnap ts-673 as thought I'd have plenty of room to expand and useing at least 3 drives as need to rip 250+ or so blu rays.... Will be useing plex but also want to use the vero 4k box too..... I'm new to this game so lots to learn....
I'm thinking of useing a raid 5, don't want to lose all that data after ripping 250+discs.

Give this setup some good thought.

As Avalon rightfully pointed out, my idea of using the TS-673 wouldn't have worked right from a Plex point of view. If Plex will be involved you really need an Intel CPU. Adding a nvidia gpu to the ts-673 is a waste of time too since it'll accelerate only qnap apps and be accessible if you use plex in a VM. It's a mess.

As the others mentioned Raid is not a backup solution so you'll need something for all that data. I'll be using an online backup service - backblaze or crashplan, the latter which I've used before and aren't too costly.

I am currently looking at a 6 bay TVS-682 that has an i3 7100 within. It is more than enough power on tap for what I want and is upgradable in future. It comes at one hell of a hefty cost though!

kvnwds43 · 7 Aug 2019 at 22:19

Kainz said:
Give this setup some good thought.

As Avalon rightfully pointed out, my idea of using the TS-673 wouldn't have worked right from a Plex point of view. If Plex will be involved you really need an Intel CPU. Adding a nvidia gpu to the ts-673 is a waste of time too since it'll accelerate only qnap apps and be accessible if you use plex in a VM. It's a mess.

As the others mentioned Raid is not a backup solution so you'll need something for all that data. I'll be using an online backup service - backblaze or crashplan, the latter which I've used before and aren't too costly.

I am currently looking at a 6 bay TVS-682 that has an i3 7100 within. It is more than enough power on tap for what I want and is upgradable in future. It comes at one hell of a hefty cost though!

Yes i want to use plex for around the house and outside as well as useing kodi on a vero 4k+ box with my home cinema gear!

kvnwds43 · 7 Aug 2019 at 22:22

The tvs - 682 looks very promising but I'm open to any suggestions? Don't want to go any higher in price on the nas than the tvs - 682.!

HEADRAT · 8 Aug 2019 at 06:41

I know you don't want to go down the DIY route but dropping £1300 on a i3 with 8GB makes me wince!!

I'm currently considering a crazy homelab/PC build with a Ryzen 9 3950X/eGPU/NAS etc:

https://www.silverstonetek.com/product.php?pid=861&area=en

https://www.extremetech.com/computi...thunderbolt-3-only-supports-intel-cpu-coolers

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OK it will be more than £1300 but I will be with a crazy fast system that I can use as an "all in one" option!

HEADRAT

james.miller · 8 Aug 2019 at 07:16

Thats equally as crazy. I wouldn't mix my desktop and nas, its asking for trouble.

HEADRAT · 8 Aug 2019 at 07:26

Fortune favours the brave

As long as you’re careful the data on the discs would be fine, RDM'ing the discs through to an Xpenology running under ESXi

Completely separate SSD for Desktop machine.

Kainz · 8 Aug 2019 at 08:32

Mate, that looks massive and equally as overkill to the smaller nas I'm looking at lol. Each to their own though.

It is a lot of money, but everyone's scenarios are different truth be told. If I was able to go the DIY route then I would have - planning a family ruins this aspect outright lol.

dessimpson · 8 Aug 2019 at 08:53

Why would you want to backup ripped blu-rays & DVD's? Stick the disks in the loft. There's your backup right there!

kvnwds43 · 8 Aug 2019 at 09:42

Headrat that looks great, I'm used to building pc's but this timei just want a decent nas drive, decent enough power that i can store blu rays, photographs and music which i can use in my home cinema with a vero box and also use plex for the other rooms in the house as well as use on a tablet if I'm away on holiday!

kvnwds43 · 8 Aug 2019 at 09:58

If i was to build one I'd probably be better off building one such as a 2u or 3u to sit in my rack.!
Never built one of those but can only be the same basically as a Normal pc

Avalon · 8 Aug 2019 at 19:35

kvnwds43 said:
If i was to build one I'd probably be better off building one such as a 2u or 3u to sit in my rack.!
Never built one of those but can only be the same basically as a Normal pc

A build is basically a build, the consideration on 1u and 2u tends to be noise/cooling/clearances/PCIe risers, 3U upwards, it gets easier as you can use full height cards and cooler clearance opens up. The last 3U I did was an old SC833 chassis, MSI x99-A SLI board, Xeon 2620v3 (6c/12t), 16GB and a H200 HBA flashed to IT mode and a Nvidia 210 for display with a dual 5.25 to 3x3.5" Supermicro caddy set-up. That gives 11x3.5" caddies with the slimline ODD & remaining 3.5" bay for SSD's + NVMe on the board. I'd estimate if i'd paid for all of it, i'd owe me just under £300, the board that the case came with offset a decent chunk of that. While the Silverstone above is a nice looking case, but with the $250-300 estimate, it's not cheap. x99 boards seem to be going up in price, but the CPU's are still very decent performers and you can pick up some absolute bargains - even relative to Ryzen if you know what to look for.

HEADRAT · 8 Aug 2019 at 19:54

kvnwds43 said:
Headrat that looks great, I'm used to building pc's but this timei just want a decent nas drive, decent enough power that i can store blu rays, photographs and music which i can use in my home cinema with a vero box and also use plex for the other rooms in the house as well as use on a tablet if I'm away on holiday!

Should be in stock in about 1 week

https://www.overclockers.co.uk/detail/index/sArticle/82447

£279.95 which is a bit "spicy" but hey it's pretty nifty

kvnwds43 · 8 Aug 2019 at 20:23

Avalon said:
A build is basically a build, the consideration on 1u and 2u tends to be noise/cooling/clearances/PCIe risers, 3U upwards, it gets easier as you can use full height cards and cooler clearance opens up. The last 3U I did was an old SC833 chassis, MSI x99-A SLI board, Xeon 2620v3 (6c/12t), 16GB and a H200 HBA flashed to IT mode and a Nvidia 210 for display with a dual 5.25 to 3x3.5" Supermicro caddy set-up. That gives 11x3.5" caddies with the slimline ODD & remaining 3.5" bay for SSD's + NVMe on the board. I'd estimate if i'd paid for all of it, i'd owe me just under £300, the board that the case came with offset a decent chunk of that. While the Silverstone above is a nice looking case, but with the $250-300 estimate, it's not cheap. x99 boards seem to be going up in price, but the CPU's are still very decent performers and you can pick up some absolute bargains - even relative to Ryzen if you know what to look for.

Mind you I've got room for a small tower.... Probably would be best! I'd be looking at something like a micro atx motherboard and a i5 Intel chip, 16 gb memory and room for at least 4... 3.5 nas drives.!
Operating system wise which one would you recommend..... As you know I'm new to servers and nas drives but competent at building pc systems.!
I usually use a Windows 10 desktop for my main pc work....
As I've said before I'll be useing a vero 4k box in the cinema room and plex everywhere else.!
I'll be putting music, photographs and movies on..... I doubt its used for anything else....... Many thanks for the info