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Best possible Ryzan build?

Bleek said:
I'm a little confused about the Optane, that's a normal SSD drive - I though the tiny M2 'sticks' that go on the mobo are the very fastest thing?

And without sounding crass, price isn't an issue, so the best of the best is all I want.
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As above the Optane 900p and 905p (on ocuk for preorder) are as good as consuner SSDs get right now - the form factors can be confusing, but basically don't think about the connector - but the protocol, which is NVME.

If price not an issue have you thought about threadripper? Prices are good right now, and you can connect many more devices to TR systems and you get a higher capacity quad channel memory. If your just gaming it's probably not worth it - but if you do a lot of content creation or run a lot of VM's the gains can be huge
 
Marak said:
The Optane 900p SSD uses a totally different memory type to normal SSD's with it's 3D-XPoint memory. It's exactly the same type as the little M.2 sticks you mention use, which make it pretty much as fast as them give or take.

Anandtech as always explains things better than I can:

https://www.anandtech.com/show/11953/the-intel-optane-ssd-900p-review/7

Note that the 905p drive is also on it's way soon, you may want to wait for that.
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Interesting read that, thanks for the link.
 
kitfit1 said:
Don't be stupid. They are both exactly the same ram, the only difference is the XMP settings. If the OP was to set DOHCP (AMD's version of XMP) his rig would never boot at 4000mhz. He has already said he wants a 2700x, OP go for the 3200mhz. It will boot at that on DOHP standard and you can clock the ram from there.
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kitfit1 said:
Yes, of course it was :rolleyes: You should be able to show us all the screenshots you took then of this wonder ram that went straight 3633 c15 on a CH6...............................looking forward to it.
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wow........so obnoxious. the joys of being able to act the big guy while sat safely behind a keyboard.

3200 ram is not guaranteed to ever run at 4000 or in fact anything at all higher. 4000 will however run at 3200 with little to no effort.
 
The reason I haven't looked at Threadripper is heat and noise, I want a silent machine and I think a TR might work against that.

Also judging by the Anand review, the Optane is the way forward - quite a dramatic difference in that technology!
 
https://www.theregister.co.uk/2018/06/21/micron_has_strong_third_quarter_but_xpoint_sales_down/

Falling XPoint sales

Micron's storage business unit (SBU), with SSD revenue now more than half of its revenues, pulled in $1.1bn, up a relatively low 13 per cent. Micron said this reflected a shift of NAND supply to high-value mobile managed NAND.

In the earnings call, SVP and CFO Dave Zisner said: "This shift in NAND supply and lower 3D XPoint sales to our partner resulted in a 9 per cent sequential decline in our Storage Business Unit revenue."

He added: "We sold very little of 3D XPoint to our partner [Intel]."

The CFO added it was possible that there would be zero sales of the product to Intel in the current (fourth) quarter, answering a question to a Credit Suisse MD: "Assuming that we do not sell any 3D XPoint to our partner... [which] I wouldn’t rule.. out."

For Micron, XPoint has been a disappointment because Intel hasn't sold enough Optane product. So much so that Mehrotra said: "We have been discussing the commercial terms of our future-generation 3D XPoint collaboration [with Intel]."

The CEO added: "We will provide updates as appropriate as these discussions progress further."

Micron still intends to introduce its first XPoint products in late calendar 2019, with meaningful revenue in 2020. That's five years after Intel introduced XPoint technology.
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Holy Moly! Micron revenue is going to be 3 times Nvidia's and half of Intels... I knew there was a memory shortage and wondered where all the money was going but that is insane.
 
With the 900p, you can't use the pcie add in version of the card without either taking lanes from the gpu (cpu lanes) or only having x4 gen 2 lanes for the ssd (chipset).

Best to use the U2 version with an m.2 adapter. I've heard that the 905 will have an m.2 version as well.
 
pandem0nium said:
With the 900p, you can't use the pcie add in version of the card without either taking lanes from the gpu (cpu lanes) or only having x4 gen 2 lanes for the ssd (chipset).

Best to use the U2 version with an m.2 adapter. I've heard that the 905 will have an m.2 version as well.
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Some Z370 boards have a 4x pice 3.0 slot from the chipset, such as the ASRock Z370 Extreme 4 so the add in card is viable for that.

However I prefer the 2.5” drives with adapters as I can position the drive right behind the intake fans to avoid thermal throttling.
 
Marak said:
Some Z370 boards have a 4x pice 3.0 slot from the chipset, such as the ASRock Z370 Extreme 4 so the add in card is viable for that.

However I prefer the 2.5” drives with adapters as I can position the drive right behind the intake fans to avoid thermal throttling.
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Yeah, fine with Intel boards for the most part, but we're talking about a Ryzen build.
 
Erm - the 900p is available with an M2 adapter in the box, there are 3 versions of drive available with various connector's, just get the one with the M2 connector
 
Who really is buying overpriced Optane drives?? Most people are barely on PCI-E SSDs,and capacity is more important especially since games are getting bigger and bigger. A 480GB Optane drive is £500,and I have seen 1TB Crucial SSDs for as low as £180ish. So I could get 3TB of normal SSD storage for the price of one 480GB Optane drive and SSD pricing is not even as cheap as it was in 2016. Optane is not selling since its overpriced.
 
It's worth it for certain workloads if you only have a limited amount of PCIE bandwidth in the system, though it is very expensive - even the 280gb version is about £265.

If you want higher performance than a single NVME then NVME RAID is an option on certain systems - and can be more economical.

Its probably not worth it just for games unless money is no object though!
 
Bleek said:
The reason I haven't looked at Threadripper is heat and noise, I want a silent machine and I think a TR might work against that.

Also judging by the Anand review, the Optane is the way forward - quite a dramatic difference in that technology!
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Then you have it all wrong :) My 1950x under an h100i v2 aio sits at 50 degrees while mining and a maximum of 65 under full load. Genuinely they are really easy to keep cool and quiet.
 
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