Best possible Ryzan build?

[Marak]

Yeah, fine with Intel boards for the most part, but we're talking about a Ryzen build.

Whoops yes, you are quite right of course.

 

[Marak]

Who really is buying overpriced Optane drives??

Early adopter enthusiasts like me, and presumably people who come to forums like this.

My first SSD was a Samsung 30GB SLC drive back in 2008 for about £200. Still going strong today.

 

[CAT-THE-FIFTH]

Early adopter enthusiasts like me, and presumably people who come to forums like this.

My first SSD was a Samsung 30GB SLC drive back in 2008 for about £200. Still going strong today.

It wasn't designed for enthusiasts,but for commercial usage hence the cost(so think how much SLC costs in comparison to MLC and TLC NAND nowadays),so the fact they are trying to push it for DIY system builders,etc tells me things are not working out as well as they expected to be.

According to Micron sales are very poor of 3D XPoint:

https://www.theregister.co.uk/2018/06/21/micron_has_strong_third_quarter_but_xpoint_sales_down/

They actually declined this quarter and the factory which makes it is a 50/50 owned by Micron and Intel. That indicates even commercial customers are not buying enough of them.

 

[pandem0nium]

Who really is buying overpriced Optane drives?? Most people are barely on PCI-E SSDs,and capacity is more important especially since games are getting bigger and bigger. A 480GB Optane drive is £500,and I have seen 1TB Crucial SSDs for as low as £180ish. So I could get 3TB of normal SSD storage for the price of one 480GB Optane drive and SSD pricing is not even as cheap as it was in 2016. Optane is not selling since its overpriced.

Those who want the best will pay for it.

Or you could pair that 1tb affordable ssd with a smaller (800p) optane m.2 ssd with StoreMI / fuzedrive and enjoy snappier performance and faster load times.

 

[CAT-THE-FIFTH]

Those who want the best will pay for it.

Or you could pair that 1tb affordable ssd with a smaller (800p) optane m.2 ssd with StoreMI / fuzedrive and enjoy snappier performance and faster load times.

Then it has failed so far - Micron who makes the memory in a 50/50 joint venture with Intel says sales are declining. Not even commercial customers seem to be really buying it in quantity and they can afford the best.

These are the sort of customers who spend decent money on enterprise level SSDs,etc which cost silly money.

The fact they are trying to push marketing to sell it for a DIY build,is very telling.

Falling XPoint sales
Micron's storage business unit (SBU), with SSD revenue now more than half of its revenues, pulled in $1.1bn, up a relatively low 13 per cent. Micron said this reflected a shift of NAND supply to high-value mobile managed NAND.

In the earnings call, SVP and CFO Dave Zisner said: "This shift in NAND supply and lower 3D XPoint sales to our partner resulted in a 9 per cent sequential decline in our Storage Business Unit revenue."

He added: "We sold very little of 3D XPoint to our partner [Intel]."

The CFO added it was possible that there would be zero sales of the product to Intel in the current (fourth) quarter, answering a question to a Credit Suisse MD: "Assuming that we do not sell any 3D XPoint to our partner... [which] I wouldn’t rule.. out."

For Micron, XPoint has been a disappointment because Intel hasn't sold enough Optane product. So much so that Mehrotra said: "We have been discussing the commercial terms of our future-generation 3D XPoint collaboration [with Intel]."

The CEO added: "We will provide updates as appropriate as these discussions progress further."

Micron still intends to introduce its first XPoint products in late calendar 2019, with meaningful revenue in 2020. That's five years after Intel introduced XPoint technology.

 

[pandem0nium]

Then it has failed so far - Micron who makes the memory in a 50/50 joint venture with Intel says sales are declining. Not even commercial customers seem to be really buying it in quantity and they can afford the best.

The fact they are trying to push marketing to sell it for a DIY build,is very telling.

Yeah, there's a few reasons I can see why it hasn't done well commercially.

The end product was much less impressive than promised during it's development.

The impression has been given that it will only work on specific intel chipsets, which isn't true.

The larger proper system drive ssds have the same name as the smaller cache ssds. So you might think that they were caching ssds and / or linked to the intel chipsets.

No Memory modules based on the technology. Repeatedly delayed and I doubt we'll ever see them.

Never the less, it's still the fastest you can buy and makes sense to recommend it in this context.

 

[Marak]

Then it has failed so far - Micron who makes the memory in a 50/50 joint venture with Intel says sales are declining. Not even commercial customers seem to be really buying it in quantity and they can afford the best.

These are the sort of customers who spend decent money on enterprise level SSDs,etc which cost silly money.

The fact they are trying to push marketing to sell it for a DIY build,is very telling.

You mentioned the low sales about three times now. Low sales have zero effect on the fact that the Optane 900p (905p soon) is the single best drive around right now, which is what the OP asked to be recommended.

I suspect you are trying to convince yourself that your old-tech nvme is still the top of the heap

 

[pandem0nium]

I suspect you are trying to convince yourself that your old-tech nvme is still the top of the heap

You mean ahci? or sata?

nvme is what optane and most modern pcie ssds use.

 

[jigger]

You mentioned the low sales about three times now. Low sales have zero effect on the fact that the Optane 900p (905p soon) is the single best drive around right now, which is what the OP asked to be recommended.

I suspect you are trying to convince yourself that your old-tech nvme is still the top of the heap

CAT has a point. Capacity and cost is the biggest limiting factor in the SSD industry. If performance was a major factor the fastest drives would top the sales charts.

 

[CAT-THE-FIFTH]

Yeah, there's a few reasons I can see why it hasn't done well commercially.

The end product was much less impressive that promised during it's development.

The impression has been given that it will only work on specific intel chipsets, which isn't true.

The larger proper system drive ssds have the same name as the smaller cache ssds. So you might think that they were caching ssds and / or linked to the intel chipsets.

No Memory modules based on the technology. Repeatedly delayed and I doubt we'll ever see them.

Never the less, it's still the fastest you can buy and makes sense to recommend it in this context.

Its overpriced for the capacity - I hate to think what it must cost in 2TB+,etc capacities for the commercial models. The thing is if sales are not good,large commercial customers who can afford it,obviously think the financial investment in it is does not bring realworld improvements,and current tech is adequate for them. That leaves only niche situations where it makes the most sense.

You mentioned the low sales about three times now. Low sales have zero effect on the fact that the Optane 900p (905p soon) is the single best drive around right now, which is what the OP asked to be recommended.

I suspect you are trying to convince yourself that your old-tech nvme is still the top of the heap

I wouldn't even pay extra for the most expensive PCI-E drive either(plus I also run one of the most storage taxing games out there,and have a full frame dSLR which means large images especially if doing mosaics). You really need to consider that large commercial customers can afford these(in quantity),and will get bulk discounts and despite the nice looking on paper specs,even Micron admits its not doing well. These include those buying all those mega expensive Nvidia commercial cards in largish quantities.

So my take from that is companies for the most part,think "old outdated tech" does what they need it to. Many of these companies probably have situations where fast storage is useful but even then its not helped.

Here is another recent release:

https://www.theregister.co.uk/2018/..._m2_card_capacity_with_wider_gumstick_format/

Its a commercial 8TB TLC drive(yes TLC drive) for servers.

Samsung thinks its NF1 SSD will replace 2.5-inch NVMe SSDs by enabling up to three times the system density in existing server infrastructure. A 2U rack server could have 72 of these cards, giving it 576TB of storage and needing less electricity than the same server with 576TB of disk.

The interface is NVMe v1.3 running across PCIe gen 4. The NF1 product has 12GB of LPDDR4 DRAM for faster and more energy-efficient data processing. Its performance is 500,000/50,000 random read/write IOPS, and 3.1 and 2.0 GB/sec sequential read and write performance.

Samsung said it has been optimised for data-intensive analytics and virtualization applications, and enables the 2U server to do more than 1 million IOPS.

It's rated at 1.3 drive writes per day with a three-year warranty.

Samsung has 512Gbit chips coming later this year, implying a 16TB card, if the chip packages are the same size as those on the 8TB card. And that means said 2U rack server could then have 1.132PB of capacity.

Look at the posts by the OP- games like Kingdom Come Deliverance and PUBG.Plus,you didn't even look at the drive he mentioned in the OP - it was an EVO. Not even the PRO.

So he is talking about a £170 500GB 970 EVO SSD,and you are pushing a £500 480GB one. 480GB at the current rate games are going is way too small.

Plus,you are making an assumption of endless budget - if that is the case,he would be getting a 1950X or Threadripper 2. You are suggesting an SSD which costs almost double the price of the CPU they want to get!

If he really intends to buy the Optane drive due to unlimited budget,they might as well wait for Threadripper 2! At least it sounds a much better match overall.

 

[Marak]

The OP asked for advice on the best possible hardware for his Ryzen build. That’s what I provided.

It’s up to him whether he feels the added expense is worth it or not. Not sure what you are getting so worked up about to be honest.

 

[pandem0nium]

I'm a little confused about the Optane, that's a normal SSD drive - I though the tiny M2 'sticks' that go on the mobo are the very fastest thing?

And without sounding crass, price isn't an issue, so the best of the best is all I want.

Quoting the OP. Price isn't an issue. Optane 900 / 5 is the best.

Who cares how much of a commercial success it is? why is that relevant?

 

[Bleek]

What the hell happened here...

To be honest I just want the best and of course there isn't an endless budget, that literally does not exist for anyone, or anything.

I purposely didn't mention money for fear of looking crass - but - there isn't a budget, just forget the cost.

There are comments above now saying that Threadripper is the best way to go, so I'm confused because my cursory look showed me it wasn't (for a world not optimised for it)?

Also, for context someone checked my old posts - creepy bast - and noted I played PUBG and Kingdom Come, I did when they came out for a bit, but I don't now. I actually mainly play grand strategy games and they don't require a high-end system.

I already have a Ryzen 1800X, but this pc isn't just for gaming. There's a reason I'm getting rid of that and I won't go in to it here, because it's not important.

I 'just' want the best AMD system I can get and yes that includes storage and no honestly, I don't care if the best SSD costs more than the cpu.

 

[BongoHunter]

What's your use case for the system - that will help determine if TR will offer an advantage, apologies if you posted it here already (busy thread! Did have a look through but could not see it!)

 

[passifid]

If it's for more than gaming then you probably should mention use case as threadripper will eat throughput alive but isn't always the best.
Honestly your use case is the most important factor in building a best pc unless you get best in every department...then we should mention full sub ambient cooling so it gets silly

 

[jigger]

What the hell happened here...

To be honest I just want the best and of course there isn't an endless budget, that literally does not exist for anyone, or anything.

I purposely didn't mention money for fear of looking crass - but - there isn't a budget, just forget the cost.

There are comments above now saying that Threadripper is the best way to go, so I'm confused because my cursory look showed me it wasn't (for a world not optimised for it)?

Also, for context someone checked my old posts - creepy bast - and noted I played PUBG and Kingdom Come, I did when they came out for a bit, but I don't now. I actually mainly play grand strategy games and they don't require a high-end system.

I already have a Ryzen 1800X, but this pc isn't just for gaming. There's a reason I'm getting rid of that and I won't go in to it here, because it's not important.

I 'just' want the best AMD system I can get and yes that includes storage and no honestly, I don't care if the best SSD costs more than the cpu.

32 core TR
Fatal1ty X399 Professional Gaming
4X8gb geil golden dragon b-dies

The storage side gets a little tricky. You could go NAS - DAS and build another box that would offer the most performance. I'm not sure what is currently the *best* retail drive. Samsung evo 970 2tb?

 

[subbytna]

I already have a Ryzen 1800X, but this pc isn't just for gaming. There's a reason I'm getting rid of that and I won't go in to it here, because it's not important.

In that case a threadripper setup is your best bet.

If money is no object then the 32 core (even teh 24 core) threadripper is the best you an get if it's not just for gaming. threadripper 2 will eat anything you throw at it for breakfast - Rendering, data crunching, transcoding...

If you're into your streaming then you can allocate 20 cores to streaming side of your setup and 12 cores to gaming. Threadripper is an ideal streaming platform as well as professional.

 

[Bleek]

I don't do any streaming or that lark so I opted for a Ryzen 2700x on the Asus X470 ROG Crosshair VII Hero.

I went for the Intel Optane 900 RAID0 and honestly, for Win10 OS and apps.

Bios to Win 10 load screen is a few seconds. Everything is like butter. Very pleased.

Treated myself to an LG 34" 1440p to replace my triple screen (they were ugly, ate desk space, hot etc) and I'm thrilled.

Also, I got myself a 512GB Samsung 970 Pro (and passive cooler) because I wanted to fill that little M.2 slot on the board.

Thanks for all the recommendations, especially the ram and ssd - I was a bit lost on those.

 

[pandem0nium]

I don't do any streaming or that lark so I opted for a Ryzen 2700x on the Asus X470 ROG Crosshair VII Hero.

I went for the Intel Optane 900 RAID0 and honestly, for Win10 OS and apps.

Bios to Win 10 load screen is a few seconds. Everything is like butter. Very pleased.

Treated myself to an LG 34" 1440p to replace my triple screen (they were ugly, ate desk space, hot etc) and I'm thrilled.

Also, I got myself a 512GB Samsung 970 Pro (and passive cooler) because I wanted to fill that little M.2 slot on the board.

Thanks for all the recommendations, especially the ram and ssd - I was a bit lost on those.

Brill, sounds great.

What optane drives did you get in the end and how are they installed?

 

[Bleek]

This is what you get for typing on a phone. Where I typed "I went for the Intel Optane 900 RAID0 and honestly, for Win10 OS and apps." - which clearly doesn't make sense -what I meant to say was, I was looking at RAID0 but honestly for what I do it seemed a pain.

I went for a PCI version of the Optane 900P 480GB because from what I read, that was the quickest and better than wiring via the M.2 slot. I filled that slot with the tiny Samsung 970pro, which to be fair is ultra rapid itself and quite kitsch.