Betrayal of 17m march

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billysielu said:
The issue for me is the arrangement itself, whereby laws are applied to the UK by people we can't vote out at the next general election. For me, this alone is sufficient reason to vote Leave.
- eu law is supreme over uk law
- eu law makers are not elected by uk electorate
- eu law applies directly in the uk via legal conduit (Miller case)
- UK may leave EU via Article 50
- UK may not unilaterally leave backstop

But you asked about specific issues, I'll try some:
- common agricultural policy
- common fisheries policy (I'm from Hull, the fishing industry got fully rekt by the CFP)
- minimum vat rate (15%)
- freedom of movement (impact of population growth on limited uk housing supply / public services)
- inability to make our own trade deals with the rest of the world
- membership fee (opportunity cost)
- prioritisation of protecting the Euro currency
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Same old fake news.
 
VincentHanna said:
Exactly, no deal is an option.

It's absolutely ludicrous and the whole country would be absolutely ******, but it's an option.

And if the UK did that, and reneged on their commitments to give the EU 39 billion quid, good luck getting any country to sign a trade deal with you ever again.
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I doubt it, there were offers to start trade negotiations the day after the vote. We couldn't because of EU rules designed to hinder the nation wanting to leave.

Countries outside of the EU don't care. In fact Japan were interested in getting the UK in to the Pacific trade pact quite recently.
 
Hard Brexit:

Dear World, we don't honour our commitments. We're keeping all our money for ourselves. Now please sign this lovely trade deal with us, to which we are fully committed.
 
  1. Theresa May set to make statement to MPs at 15:30 GMT
  2. The PM is expected to delay Tuesday vote on her Brexit deal
  3. Statement to follow from Commons leader Andrea Leadsom
  4. Brexit Secretary will make third statement, on ECJ ruling that the UK can unilaterally halt Brexit process
What fun we do have :)
 
VincentHanna said:
Only if every country agrees we can trade on WTO rules.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...s-not-realistic-roberto-azevedo-a8505946.html

Do you think Russia will agree? Argentina? Spain? All these could throw a spanner in the works
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We are already members of WTO, we were founding members of it, we already have certain schedules setup to allow trading with numerous countries. Should Brexit go ahead and we are using WTO rules, we could then go to those countries and open up talks for a free trade agreement, or agree/disagree on certain aspects like agriculture or services.
 
VincentHanna said:
OK, well i'll take your expertise over the words of the head of the WTO then....
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“It’s not going to be the end of the world, in the sense that trade is going to stop and that everything is going to fall down, no. But it’s not going to be a walk in the park either"
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We'd better call off Brexit, it isn't going to be a walk in the park! Who would've thought?
 
If you need every country to agree to allow us to trade under WTO rules, and you have people like Putin, who want to destabilise us as much as they can, don't you think they might just say no to everything, in a further attempt to **** us over?
 
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