Bicycle 0 - Me 1

bledd · 10 Sep 2008 at 14:10

even though he was 'in the wrong', i can see why he'd be mad

JBuk · 10 Sep 2008 at 15:22

fullspizz said:
I'm sure the cyclist would have thought twice about running the red light if it had been an intersection where a car or lorry could have hit him

So, because FF decided to wait for the lights to change to red, to give him the right of way and NOT the cyclist, you may think he could be at fault!

The road laws apply to everyone, whether it be me crossing the road as a pedestrian, someone in a vehicle or someone in an invalid carriage.

Right of way does not mean people are instantly absolved of any responsibility

anyways as I already mentioned after discussing it I dont think he was in the wrong

Nitefly · 10 Sep 2008 at 15:32

Clarkey said:
I can't believe the people in here arguing its the fault of both, or in some way the fault of FF. Wake up, its a red light, that means STOP, there is no question about it, the cyclist was 100% at fault here. Wouldn't matter if FF were to intentionally stop directly in his path, he's perfectly within his rights to do that.
If it were a car that had run a red light and hit a pedestrian, i'm sure the story would not be the same.

Right.

Car A pulls up to a T juction, where he can turn left or right, and he must give way. He checks both ways and notices Car B approaching from his right. Car B is indicating to turn left, down the road from which Car A has approached the juction from.

With me so far? Car A assumes that there will be no problem with turning right and pulls out. Car B then ploughs into him. Car B may have been indicating to turn left, but he continued straight on.

The accident is Car A's fault - he should not have assumed anything from any other car on the road and should have taken extreme caution at all times. Thats the eyes of the highway code and law.

With the situation in the OP, its somewhat similar, although obviously more in favour of the pedestrian due to the jumping of the red light.

jmhduck · 10 Sep 2008 at 16:15

Ok I enjoy cycling and may have fractured the highway code on occasion but that guy is a ****. I mean I always cycle as if I have the lowest priority ie I try to avoid getting in anyones way so if I'm on the pavement I get out of the way of pedestrians and if I'm slowing down the traffic I move to the payment basically implynig this mysterious thing called common sense. If I was you I would've been attempted to assault him I mean he just went strait into you, you definately were a gentlemen

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Glaucus · 10 Sep 2008 at 16:18

JBuk said:
do you have any proof of your 90% claim ?

I rarely see any cyclists breaking the law or think they rule the road, there are the odd few but certainly no where near 90%

at a pure guess I would estimate around 5% that I see run a red or ride on the pavement

come down to Gloucester road in Bristol. Thousands of cyclists and I've seen about 3 stop for traffic lights. So it's almost 100% down here.
Don't stop for red lights, don't stop for zebra crossings. Brake cars wing mirrors as they try to squeeze past then go up a pathway so you can't kick there head in.

LordSplodge · 10 Sep 2008 at 16:25

Mr Jones said:
Sometimes, cyclist really think they're up and above the law of road users. I'm a cyclist myself and nothing gets on my **** more than a fellow retarded cyclist deciding he can zoom pass the traffic lights as if the road is his own.

Worst is when they're stuck behind me at a red light, some moan and grunt pass me whilst the light is red - I like to cycle faster than them and over take them only to stop again at the red lights. Great joy

Agreed. I hate it when cyclists act like complete morons. I blame the sudden massive increase in cycling.

Oh and well done for being a gentleman Freefaller. I bet the guy had just found out his wife was sleeping with the milkman or something.

willhub · 10 Sep 2008 at 16:27

Stupid cyclists, half of em never have any consideration for anyone but themselves :rolleyes:

When I stop at a red light on my bicycle there is always some other cyclist that runs the red light only when they are behind me they cant as I make sure they cant get by the car at the side of me.

The worst thing I have done is run a yellow light once or twice but thats not a problem if you where unable to stop, if I had tried to stop I'd destroy my tyres, 25mph 6 meter away from a traffic light is hard to stop safely.

LordSplodge · 10 Sep 2008 at 16:32

willhub said:
The worst thing I have done is run a yellow light once or twice but thats not a problem if you where unable to stop, if I had tried to stop I'd destroy my tyres, 25mph 6 meter away from a traffic light is hard to stop safely.

Amber only means stop if safe to do so. So you are fine. There is no way I'd slam the anchors on at 20+ MPH just to stop for an amber.

JBuk · 10 Sep 2008 at 16:37

AcidHell2 said:
come down to Gloucester road in Bristol. Thousands of cyclists and I've seen about 3 stop for traffic lights. So it's almost 100% down here.
Don't stop for red lights, don't stop for zebra crossings. Brake cars wing mirrors as they try to squeeze past then go up a pathway so you can't kick there head in.

is there a reason for such poor behaviour?

too many cyclists?

maybe the council or police need to make a few examples to bring them all into line

it really isnt too bad up here and most of the badly behaved cyclists are little chavs looking to put themselves in an early grave

LordSplodge · 10 Sep 2008 at 16:38

AcidHell2 said:
come down to Gloucester road in Bristol. Thousands of cyclists and I've seen about 3 stop for traffic lights. So it's almost 100% down here.
Don't stop for red lights, don't stop for zebra crossings. Brake cars wing mirrors as they try to squeeze past then go up a pathway so you can't kick there head in.

Too much cider.

Nitefly · 10 Sep 2008 at 16:40

AcidHell2 said:
come down to Gloucester road in Bristol. Thousands of cyclists and I've seen about 3 stop for traffic lights. So it's almost 100% down here.
Don't stop for red lights, don't stop for zebra crossings. Brake cars wing mirrors as they try to squeeze past then go up a pathway so you can't kick there head in.

I'll confirm that.

LordSplodge said:
Too much cider.

Yes.... 'cider'.

JBuk · 10 Sep 2008 at 16:41

maybe you Bristol guys should "accidently" spill a few boxes of tacks along that road

LordSplodge · 10 Sep 2008 at 16:42

Nitefly said:
I'll confirm that.

Yes.... 'cider'.

"Cider"?

Nitefly · 10 Sep 2008 at 16:43

LordSplodge said:
"Cider"?

For the guy that went past screaming as loud as he can for no reason all the time, I'm going with 'Crack'.

adamph · 10 Sep 2008 at 16:43

I had a similar experience a few years back, however I came off worse off and the git just rode on.

Glad you did what you did and very well written

LordSplodge · 10 Sep 2008 at 16:47

Nitefly said:
For the guy that went past screaming as loud as he can for no reason all the time, I'm going with 'Crack'.

Cider and crack for the win!

Glaucus · 10 Sep 2008 at 16:53

JBuk said:
maybe you Bristol guys should "accidently" spill a few boxes of tacks along that road

But I drive on it... But only for a few more weeks.

JBuk said:
maybe the council or police need to make a few examples to bring them all into line

That's the reason it's so bad. Is the police just turn a blind eye.

Lopéz · 10 Sep 2008 at 18:16

Nitefly said:
Right.

Car A pulls up to a T juction, where he can turn left or right, and he must give way. He checks both ways and notices Car B approaching from his right. Car B is indicating to turn left, down the road from which Car A has approached the juction from.

With me so far? Car A assumes that there will be no problem with turning right and pulls out. Car B then ploughs into him. Car B may have been indicating to turn left, but he continued straight on.

The accident is Car A's fault - he should not have assumed anything from any other car on the road and should have taken extreme caution at all times. Thats the eyes of the highway code and law.

With the situation in the OP, its somewhat similar, although obviously more in favour of the pedestrian due to the jumping of the red light.

Sorry, but that is nothing even close to situation described in the OP!

Vonhelmet · 10 Sep 2008 at 19:17

Nitefly said:
Right.

Car A pulls up to a T juction, where he can turn left or right, and he must give way. He checks both ways and notices Car B approaching from his right. Car B is indicating to turn left, down the road from which Car A has approached the juction from.

With me so far? Car A assumes that there will be no problem with turning right and pulls out. Car B then ploughs into him. Car B may have been indicating to turn left, but he continued straight on.

The accident is Car A's fault - he should not have assumed anything from any other car on the road and should have taken extreme caution at all times. Thats the eyes of the highway code and law.

With the situation in the OP, its somewhat similar, although obviously more in favour of the pedestrian due to the jumping of the red light.

I'm not sure that's right. Even if it is, the practical implications of that are absurd. Junctions and roundabouts would grind to a halt with no one willing to make the first move in case the other guy isn't 100% clear about things.

Defensive driving is one thing, but I think that's going a bit far. I'd be curious to know the IAM view on something like that.

MikeHunt79 · 10 Sep 2008 at 22:39

AcidHell2 said:
come down to Gloucester road in Bristol. Thousands of cyclists and I've seen about 3 stop for traffic lights. So it's almost 100% down here.
Don't stop for red lights, don't stop for zebra crossings. Brake cars wing mirrors as they try to squeeze past then go up a pathway so you can't kick there head in.

I'm glad I'm don't have to use Gloucester road that often.

Park street is also pretty bad, it's not just the cyclists tho, the pedestrians and cars are just as bad is not worse...

It's like someone's torn up the highway code!