Big Tech Authoritarianism

mmj_uk said:
Like I said in my other thread regarding Rowan Atkinson's comments about cancel culture and social media's role in polarising people through algorithm manipulation and market targeting, a large portion of people seem to have been propagandised to hate/fear Trump so much that they seem willing to support anything (even turning into what they claim to be fighting against) in order to destroy him and his supporters. They are literally cheering on corporate billionaires behaving like authoritarians and are doing it in the name of fighting authoritarianism, they're calling for people who don't conform to the liberal ideology to be cancelled (banned/sacked from jobs etc).

It might seem like a good idea now to destroy Trump and his supporters if you're in that group but what about when there are none left? first they came for the Jews and I said nothing......
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I may be misunderstanding your post. Are you saying that what happened to the Jews is what is happening to Trump supporters? Ooof.
 
I think he's just referencing the 'poem' (slightly incorrectly) rather than drawing equivalency to Jews specifically.

First they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a socialist.

Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a trade unionist.

Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Jew.

Then they came for me—and there was no one left to spea k for me.
 
mmj_uk said:
Like I said in my other thread regarding Rowan Atkinson's comments about cancel culture and social media's role in polarising people through algorithm manipulation and market targeting, a large portion of people seem to have been propagandised to hate/fear Trump so much that they seem willing to support anything (even turning into what they claim to be fighting against) in order to destroy him and his supporters. They are literally cheering on corporate billionaires behaving like authoritarians and are doing it in the name of fighting authoritarianism, they're calling for people who don't conform to the liberal ideology to be cancelled (banned/sacked from jobs etc).

It might seem like a good idea now to destroy Trump and his supporters if you're in that group but what about when there are none left?
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That funny. I bring up how deeply propagandized you are and how you are supporting a corporate billionaire behaving like an authoritarian. No response to my post then you post what you just did. Also the biggest person behind cancel culture is Trump but you ignore that.

Have you ever stopped to think that a lot of what is being said about Trump is true and real? Half the time you sound like you are saying its all made up by communist liberal left corporate billionaires which doesn’t even make any sense.

Do you realize that lot of people are anti trump because of the very real thing that Trump did. Not because of some fake media algorithm manipulation and market targeting. The funny thing is you seem to have fallen for that fake media algorithm manipulation hook line and sinker. I have never seen someone have the wool pooled over there eyes as much as you have been.
 
Pottsey said:
That funny. I bring up how deeply propagandized you are and how you are supporting a corporate billionaire behaving like an authoritarian. No response to my post then you post what you just did. Also the biggest person behind cancel culture is Trump but you ignore that.

Have you ever stopped to think that a lot of what is being said about Trump is true and real? Half the time you sound like you are saying its all made up by communist liberal left corporate billionaires which doesn’t even make any sense.

Do you realize that lot of people are anti trump because of the very real thing that Trump did. Not because of some fake media algorithm manipulation and market targeting. The funny thing is you seem to have fallen for that fake media algorithm manipulation hook line and sinker. I have never seen someone have the wool pooled over there eyes as much as you have been.
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Totally agree. Almost embarrassing.
 
I think that when anyone makes a speech or posts something on Social Media that results in five deaths, the least of his problems should be denying him a platform to spread hatred and lies.

The world will be a better, safer place on January 21st - Trump should be consigned to the cess-pit of oblivion.
 
Twitter are entirely selective, inconsistent and capricious in how they moderate their users - everyone from the Ayatollah of Iran tweeting about exterminating Israel to some random pronouns they/them saying the only good Republican is a dead Republican is (or on the flip-side ‘Hang Pence’ was trending earlier), and apparently always will be fine, encouraged even.
 
Somnambulist said:
Twitter are entirely selective, inconsistent and capricious in how they moderate their users - everyone from the Ayatollah of Iran tweeting about exterminating Israel to some random pronouns they/them saying the only good Republican is a dead Republican is (or on the flip-side ‘Hang Pence’ was trending earlier), and apparently always will be fine, encouraged even.
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I think the inconsistency and lack of transparency in the processes could be potential targets here in the future. I mean on one hand Trump has been banned because he's been seen to have been a figurehead that has encouraged lies about the election being fraudulent leading to protest and unrest we saw in and around the Capitol. Though if acting as a catalyst for violence and unrest is something they're cracking down on (which isn't a bad thing to be fair, could have banned Trump a while ago for that or started suspending him) then there seems to have been a big blind spot this past summer when there was plenty of violence and unrest... back then it was all about the "language of the unheard", people were supposed to donate to bail funds etc.. for the people involved.

These platforms are increasingly powerful in a democracy and legislators are clearly looking at the sort of control they have over public discourse and who gets silenced and why etc..
 
mmj_uk said:
Donald Trump, the still President of the United States of America has been censored
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No, he hasn't.

Why do people persist in crying "censorship!!!1111oneone" when someone breaks the rules of a platform and gets themselves ejected from it?
 
JRS said:
No, he hasn't.

Why do people persist in crying "censorship!!!1111oneone" when someone breaks the rules of a platform and gets themselves ejected from it?
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Pretty strange how that very same company didn't ban BLM and AntiFa from the platform when they were using it to organise the firebombing of government buildings and the armed take over of a vast swathe of Seattle some months ago. Why did they get a free pass?

If you're going to ban one (Trump) then you have to ban the others. Otherwise it just reeks of censorship and bias.
 
mmj_uk said:
Donald Trump, the still President of the United States of America has been censored by Twitter, a corporation elected by nobody and along with corporate media who clearly hate him that now means he cannot talk directly to the American people who elected him.
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It's almost like... There's no other way for an elected leader to communicate with the public.
 
Twitter is a platform of abuse with worrying levels of influence that leverages the often destructive voices of loud minorities. Until there's a platform that removes anonimity giving a level playing field to all its users I see no reason to engage whatsoever.
 
This sort of thing is silly, seems to have happened today:

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Simply being critical of the wokeness can make some of these accounts the enemies of some silicon valley employees with a grudge.

Some sort of additional regulation of how these bans etc.. take place on large social media platforms could be the way this ends up going.
 
Regulation is commiefascism though, the free-market capitalists will get exactly what they want.

So long as lobbyists have more control over politicians than their electors do, regulation will mean precisely **** all anyway.

The options that I can currently envisage are,

  • Private social media is banned outright, government creates an open platform with no anonymity (I would be avoiding this like the plague that it would invariably be)
  • Force social media to discriminate equally which in the case of social media means destroying these businesses as they can't possibly control billions or trillions of interactions every year
  • Partisan or toothless quango goes here
  • Anti-trust the **** out of these companies so they know their place in the food-chain
  • Do nothing because doing anything else is pointless or counter-productive
 
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StriderX said:
Regulation is commiefascism though, the free-market capitalists will get exactly what they want.
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I'm not sure you're aware of the example given in the post where I just mentioned regulation, they're hardly free-market capitalists:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_Scare_(podcast)
The show has been associated with the dirtbag left[3][4][5][6] and has been described in The Cut as "a critique of feminism, and capitalism, from deep inside the culture they’ve spawned."
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dowie said:
I'm not sure you're aware of the example given in the post where I just mentioned regulation, they're hardly free-market capitalists:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_Scare_(podcast)
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I was just making a flippant comment about the right when it comes to their belief system, though obviously it's not one big homogeneous blob. On the point about this podcast and presumably other instances, I honestly couldn't care less that there is equal treatment for the left as frankly I would hope so in the circumstances.

The issue isn't the behaviour of these companies (I think that what has occurred is fundamentally natural), it's the fact that our economy and legislature is so broken that these companies even exist in the first place.
 
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