Bioshock Demo and ROOTKIT!!!

I care about it! I installed a demo of a game that after playing I didn't really like. Now because of that, I uninstalled the demo and it's left spyware/rootkit or whatever you want to call it embedded in my PC even though I have no intention of buying the full game.

ditto, i wouldnt care so much if i had the game, but i dont have the game, or the demo but i still have the protection software on my PC. which is HIDDEN from view. Also this hidden folder could be exploited by viruses malware and such I believe



edit// actually i would care even if i did have the game, fair enough u need copyright protection but theres no need to use this kind of aggressive DRM.
 
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Groups will get around any form of protection until the end of time, i'm 99% sure. Limiting the number of times a game can be installed for legitamate buyers is totally ridiculous.
 
Absolutely.

I guess they must be quite happy with how it's turned out though. BioShock isn't available for illegal download yet, whereas many other games were available well before release. I've bought it via steam due to laziness but I was kind of hoping I could get a sneak peak. Ah well ;)
 
The only clash I've had with the protection on the Bioshock demo is when I run Microsoft process explorer :(

Have to reboot pretty much every time I want to go in game.
 
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No offence intended, but your all idiots if you cannot see the issues raised by root kit and stealth-ware technologies, technical, ethical and practical.

some basic points people need to be aware of. people on the internet LOVE to cause a fuss for no reason other than they can, without in real life being branded a tit and having no friends. the copying more than 2 times giving you slots back thing is broken, they fixed the issue, the ONLY people who ACTUALLY had the problem were people LOOKING TO BREAK IT in the first place. just like the moron who went around recently saying, "i opened 82 IE windows and vista crashed, so therefore its crap", which caused a lot of people to try it and it didn't crash vista for them. people go a massive way to try to cause things to break. you run a engine at its max rev's and max speed for too long and it will break, but works fine under normal and heavy usage.

as for rookits its NOT a rootkit. rootkit is a internet hype word, it means nothing. there are a kazillion virus's around, and 3 of them attack old rootkits, boohoo. EVERY single piece of software CAN and might have vunerabilities in it that can allow massive access to your system. i mean EVERY piece of software can do something unintended, thats life. not installing securecom, which for once seems to have worked, because one other program had a vunerability MANY years ago.

but you have windows installed, and that has also had vunerabilities, and AV apps have had problems, and driver sets have caused bluescreens, yet you still install drivers i'd guess? so in other words, you are picking on this one app, for no reason at all, because the internet told you too.

just waiting for someone to tell all these non thinking followers of whatever the latest cause is on the internet, to jump off a cliff tbh.


as for working patches. lets be honest, i can't name a single release of any game, including every AAA title for the last 3-4 years that hasn't been available for download with a crack before or on the day of release. this is the first game you simply had to buy to play on release. that has not happened in 3-4 years, exe files are very small, easy to read, easy to work out whats going on. theres only so much code and frankly, doesn't take genius's to alter. so for it not to be working now, is very impressive.

i've also never found a file that can't be deleted yet, and have deleted securcom on previous installs. afaik, plenty of games, infact dozens/hundreds install new dx versions, new updates for C++ distributables, windows updates, ageia drivers, havoc software and plenty of other software, and again none of those games uninstall any of that stuff when you uninstall the game. so again, people with their limited memories claiming its the first to do this, its not normal, never happens before, is a security risk, is bad, is all complete crap tbh.


anyway, its windows that allows root access to drivers, if they didn't they'd have to come up with other software. securcom is one of hundreds of bits of software on your computer with the same access that run all the time. so why are people picking on this one? because the internet told them to, without a lick of proof anywhere its bad.


remember, don't install ati/nvidia windows default video drivers, they might have vunerabilities :o
 
The only clash I've had with the protection on the Bioshock demo is when I run Microsoft process explorer :(

Have to reboot pretty much every time I want to go in game.

to be fair, its a pain in the ass i understand and sympathise. its also incredibly dumb that they won't take it off the blacklist, theres no reason to afaik. i don't suppose theres an app around that is pretending to be the process explorer but is infact trying to emulate stuff to fool securcom? in which case they really wouldn't have a choice but to blacklist it, though if its a simple program maybe working with MS to add in some validity thing into the program to make it confirm its the correct and safe one then take that off the blacklist.

but again, to be fair, very few end user gamers will use the tool or have the problem. though i'm surprised its such a problem for you, me and lots of others started the game, and it was so freaking good ended up finishing it in only 2-3 sittings, so not that much rebooting :p
 
Groups will get around any form of protection until the end of time, i'm 99% sure. Limiting the number of times a game can be installed for legitamate buyers is totally ridiculous.

again, people need to get it correct. the software, because it had to activate online as many other programs do now, just rarer in games, but a heck of a lot of office/OS stuff activates only, had to have a limit for the serial numbers other wise when someone got a working serial and if/when a cracked exe then the activation server would have no reason to deny the same serial activating 3 million times.

a limit on activations is completely and utterly normal for ALL online activations.

can you buy a game, add serial to steam, and add the same serial over and over for different accounts? can you install xp/vista over and over and over again? no you can't.

then again, get it right, it let you have 2 initial separate installs concurrently, double what ms, steam anything else would allow you, then if you uninstall it was supposed to free up a slot allowing you to again have 2 copies installed anywhere. the call back to free up slot was broken, as i said in other post, the ONLY people that affects is people looking for a problem to exploit, not anyone else. because the call back to free up slot wasn't working they now let you install 5 times and still will release all slots, though atm its not automatic and requires an e-mail, again, whose gonna install it 5 times before they fix it in the first day, again, people looking for trouble.


frankly, most people expect one serial, and if its activated online one activation and thats it often. so this is incredibly more flexible, but people still complain, about nothing.


then again, maybe i'm one of the only people not installing it in 6 different folders on the same computer, i guess i'm just one of those people who only needs it working in one folder and runs one instance at a time.
 
again, people need to get it correct. the software, because it had to activate online as many other programs do now, just rarer in games, but a heck of a lot of office/OS stuff activates only, had to have a limit for the serial numbers other wise when someone got a working serial and if/when a cracked exe then the activation server would have no reason to deny the same serial activating 3 million times.

a limit on activations is completely and utterly normal for ALL online activations.

can you buy a game, add serial to steam, and add the same serial over and over for different accounts? can you install xp/vista over and over and over again? no you can't.

then again, get it right, it let you have 2 initial separate installs concurrently, double what ms, steam anything else would allow you, then if you uninstall it was supposed to free up a slot allowing you to again have 2 copies installed anywhere. the call back to free up slot was broken, as i said in other post, the ONLY people that affects is people looking for a problem to exploit, not anyone else. because the call back to free up slot wasn't working they now let you install 5 times and still will release all slots, though atm its not automatic and requires an e-mail, again, whose gonna install it 5 times before they fix it in the first day, again, people looking for trouble.

frankly, most people expect one serial, and if its activated online one activation and thats it often. so this is incredibly more flexible, but people still complain, about nothing.

then again, maybe i'm one of the only people not installing it in 6 different folders on the same computer, i guess i'm just one of those people who only needs it working in one folder and runs one instance at a time.

Ok, I think you need to understand what you are going on about. How are you comparing this to Steam? With this you install it x amount of times. With Steam you buy it, activate it on your account and it's there FOREVER. You can download, install, and play it as many times as you like. If you have two computers, you download Steam on both and login to Steam one at a time then you have the game on that computer.

Your post has confused me slightly as it seems to be going on about nothing on the point. People who have bought it would want to use the software they paid for however they like, legally. Whereas a pirate will download it and use the software, which they got for free, however they like. But now the legitimate customers have a restriction whereas piracy won't be effected.
 
well i have contacted SECURrom using [email protected].


I requested politely that they give me step by step instrutions to remove their software from my PC.


They replied back today with an uninstaller 4.13mb. Which i placed into C: and ran the uninstaller in Dos prompt. Their instructions were slightly wrong (it seems they may have several versions of their own uninstaller) but i figured it out.


edit// I would like to point out i dont mind having any protection software in a windows Visable folder, so that it cannot be stealth used by viruses and malware to attack my machine. But they way they did it and how it compromised my machine was in my mind out of order and unethical.
 
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