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Vertigo said:
Granted but all that means is the photography equipment is a better investment than the GPU.

Unfortunately the rate at which each depreciates doesn't really affect how much they cost to start with. They're both luxury items and, as I said, are priced as such.
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Depending on what you're shooting, you would definitely get away with less than top end body and lens 99% of the time. But even as such, my Z6II if it holds 10 years, although more expensive than the 4080, it would cost very little overall / year of usage. 4080 on the other hand... The initial cost makes it makes it worth the investment (for the camera) - even more so since it was bought on a 0 interest 2 year credit card (so a bit cheaper considering inflation).

However, at the end of the day these are just hobbies and their worth is subjective. After all, is hardly "worth it" to drink or smoke, yet some people are throwing money that way happily.

arknor said:
I don't think it's really comparable to other hobbies.
Most other hobbies have entry level products that are cheap and more than good enough.


GPU's don't have the competition needed to drive down prices, there's pretty much only high end now.

Also they won't hold value for more than 2 years, it's pretty much a consumable
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Well... gamers could also stay at 1080p at 60fps or even 30fps, since most argue that graphics don't matter. But when you want 1440p or 4k alongside 100fps + and high details... then pay the price. Easy.
 
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Calin Banc said:
Well... gamers could also stay at 1080p at 60fps or even 30fps, since most argue that graphics don't matter. But when you want 1440p or 4k alongside 100fps + and high details... then pay the price. Easy.
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Wasn't really all that long ago (in the grand scheme of things...) I was gaming at 640x480 and lucky to get 12fps......... God I'm glad we're past those days xD
 
brostradamus said:
will nvidia bring back sli? it looks like sli is feasible over pcie 5 bus and you'd no longer need those expensive sli dongles
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I doubt it, as little to no modern game even supports it any more. I loved SLI, but at least for now it's a dead technology, plus with the size of modern GPUs you're going to either need one hell of a big case to even fit just two cards, or water cool them. And then there's the price where even the mid-range is ridiculously expensive let alone the top end ones. You have more chance of seeing the old AGP port coming back before SLI as we know it does.
 
brostradamus said:
will nvidia bring back sli? it looks like sli is feasible over pcie 5 bus and you'd no longer need those expensive sli dongles
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Funnily enough, with the slow increases in performance we've been getting it would actually make more sense than when the performance increases between generations were ginormous, though the VRAM capacity would likely be an issue.

Can't see it coming back.
 
scubes said:
What games are use all wanting to try with the 5090?
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a bunch of games at 1440p hitting 480hz or whatever the game engine limit is for said game.
a bunch of other games at 4K hitting above 60 fps and beyond natively with max settings ( CP 2077, Alan Wake 2)
even better if some games could do 8K 120hz even if it means settings reduced (Would put me back in the market for an 8K monitor/tv when one drops with 120/144hz support.
 
Vertigo said:
Granted but all that means is the photography equipment is a better investment than the GPU.

Unfortunately the rate at which each depreciates doesn't really affect how much they cost to start with. They're both luxury items and, as I said, are priced as such.
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I agree with @Calin Banc - I also spend a decent anount on camera equipment and it lasts for ages. Plus it holds it's value far better,which is useful when I upgrade. Unlike in the film days,where there were lots of film and processing costs,the only other cost with digital photography is for any pictures you print. Even with lenses,companies like Viltrox,etc and producing some excellent lenses for a really low price.

Even with Hi-Fi,you could get a £500 to 1000 pair of nice headphones and can last you a long time - the only recurring cost is pads or cables,etc. I have a pair of old PMC speakers still work fine. Companies like SMSL and Fiio produce some fantastic DAC/Amp combinations for the price.

But over the last 10 years I have spent more on my PC and I don't even get higher end computer parts. Plus when you include the cost of games,game subscriptions,etc it's worse value overall and I am not even getting a top end experience either. Plus,it seems every generation the prices are going up and up,even for mainstream parts if you want a reasonable improvement.

Just look at when the RTX4000 series launch - RTX3060TI users upgrade path was a £580 RTX4070(up from £370),which cost nearly 60% more. The value is getting worse and worse even for a mainstream gamer.

The top end is less of an issue. Someone already spending £1600 on a new card,probably would care less about another £200 to £300 on top.

Calin Banc said:
Well... gamers could also stay at 1080p at 60fps or even 30fps, since most argue that graphics don't matter. But when you want 1440p or 4k alongside 100fps + and high details... then pay the price. Easy.
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The issue is a combination of poor optimisations and having to push nicer graphics in modern games means even if you have lower expectations,the shrinkflation is not really helping there. For example an RTX4060 is barely 40% faster than an RTX2060 after almost 6 years. The RTX2060 was almost 75% faster than a GTX1060 and 20% faster than a GTX1070 in under 3 years.
 
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CAT-THE-FIFTH said:
Just look at when the RTX4000 series launch - RTX3060TI users upgrade path was a £580 RTX4070(up from £370),which cost nearly 60% more. The value is getting worse and worse even for a mainstream gamer.

The top end is less of an issue. Someone already spending £1600 on a new card,probably would care less about another £200 to £300 on top.
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What's gonna happen now is, if this continues then more people will probably still be using 1080p screens or 1440p at a push and use lower settings to get good performance.

AMD cards are doing quite well from what I last saw in UE5 for the money, but then they're lacking in other areas at the minute.

Pretty poor though that mid range and below from Nvidia just goes up in price with not all that much uplift, and skimping on memory to boot..
 
CAT-THE-FIFTH said:
The issue is a combination of poor optimisations and having to push nicer graphics in modern games means even if you have lower expectations,the shrinkflation is not really helping there. For example an RTX4060 is barely 40% faster than an RTX2060 after almost 6 years. The RTX2060 was almost 75% faster than a GTX1060 and 20% faster than a GTX1070 in under 3 years.
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True, but in 6 years you can save plenty of money to get that 4060 or a 4070 to keep going for some more time. Is not as expensive as upgrading every gen because you want 4k maxed out. :)
 
do you guys think googles chatbot will still recommend doing this with blackwell ?

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wonder if it really works to reduce coil whine, or if it just blocks emi
 
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Personality+ said:
a bunch of games at 1440p hitting 480hz or whatever the game engine limit is for said game.
a bunch of other games at 4K hitting above 60 fps and beyond natively with max settings ( CP 2077, Alan Wake 2)
even better if some games could do 8K 120hz even if it means settings reduced (Would put me back in the market for an 8K monitor/tv when one drops with 120/144hz support.
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Every now and then I realise some people are engaging with this hobby in a completely different realm to me :D
 
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