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Heard some rumours that the 5090 will be someting rediculious like 2k - 2.5k. That is my entire budget for my next build. lol
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Soldato
No one actually knows yet. Simple as that.
Can all have fun guessing though - Going on past pricing, 5090 specs then factoring in NVidia greed, I predict ~£1850 for the FE model. AIB models 2k+
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Soldato
If the rumors of the 5080 really being the 5070 tier in all but name the 5090 Will likely be the only card that makes sense initially. We will probably see a Ti and/or a Super refresh at some point where the 5080 Ti looks abit more like an true 80 tier product. Maybe this will be cleared up soon. I would love an Nvidia card that uses max 250watt that can compete with the 4090. But I am scared to see the prices!
My prediction is the 5090 FE will come in under 2K and people that were thinking 2.5K will be like OMG bargain
If the 5080 is actually a 5070 and they come in at a 4 figure sum for less than 4090 performance then I will just keep my 4070 Ti until a deal comes about.
Tbh right now my thinking is unless there is a nice jump in actual price for performance in the 5070 tier I will just wait. Either grab a 4090 on the cheap or pounce on a pricing error.
Not like I am not happy with the 4070 Ti, so far does the job and I can easily skip a gen if needed as I don't game much these days. Probably done less than 10 hours of gaming in the past month or two
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Yeh I really do think as a whole people will keep hardware for a lot longer now, which is a good thing in the end. I'm defiantly looking to buy next year, my 1080ti will be 8 years old then, it's had a wonderful run and is still chugging a long, i've been forcing it to play at 4k for the last few years (I have a 4k 144hz monitor so I defo need a new GPU) I've not really had any issues, it will have **** FPS at 4k in most games, older games run ok in 4k, more modern ones like Hell Let Loose, I'm on 4k but every thing set to low I get a good 70-90fps which is decent for that age.
It's still a perfect GPU tbh for 1080p settings even today on modern games, but to take full advantage of what I have I really need a new one. I'm going to be keeping an eye on the 5080 for sure, but i'm also very interested in the 5070 and AMDs top cards (well high end mid tier) as 4080 level of performance at a decent price would be roughly what i'm after.
I stayed up for that, I expected it to be a little meh, but it was even worse than that. Tragic end to Tyson's career.
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Soldato
Well if the leaks are accurate then it does look like the 5080 will be a 70 in disguise...
Hardware Unboxed do a good breakdown of how the specs break down for previous gens (cores, ram, price) and how the 50x0 leaks would compare.... it's grim.
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i would say it doesnt matter how you name them..
people will only upgrade if the upgrade path makes sense to them, which means it depends to a large extent on the card they are currently using
intra-generation comparisons dont provide any worthwhile insights when making a buying decision
people will only upgrade if the upgrade path makes sense to them, which means it depends to a large extent on the card they are currently using
intra-generation comparisons dont provide any worthwhile insights when making a buying decision
Soldato
It matters how you name them because that dictates how they price them...... And for the average folk (ie not us nerds who're reading forums about GPUs) the name matters a LOT - calling a 70 class card xx80 is deliberately misleading and WILL mislead many average consumers.
There's a performance expectation attached to the class name... ie if you buy a BMW M3 you expect it to perform at a certain level; but if BMW released an "M3" and it had a 1.6L engine a put out 200hp.... Well us car enthusiasts would avoid it like the plague - but some people would be fooled and buy it.
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since gpu's are supply constrained the only thing that determines prices is competition
if tech journos start pestering jensen with these lame "5080=5070" catchphrases, he might change the naming scheme entirely, without impacting prices in the slightest
if tech journos start pestering jensen with these lame "5080=5070" catchphrases, he might change the naming scheme entirely, without impacting prices in the slightest
I'd imagine the people that would be fooled are exactly the same people who wouldn't have too much concept of what the performance "ought" to be in the first place, so maybe it matters less than you think. Provided the 5080 is better than the 5070, does it matter how much worse than the 5090 it is? Average consumer expectations are that xx90 > xx80 > xx70 > xx60. So long as those expectations continue to hold, I can't see there being much outcry, except among those who already know better anyway, which is a tiny fraction of the market. Maybe there wouldn't be any outcry at all if the 5090 was less powerful! Would that make us all happy?!
Personally, I'm itching to upgrade my 2070. Will probably spring for a 5080 regardless. I could afford, but certainly couldn't justify, the 5090, if price predictions are to be believed. I suppose I could wait to see how close the 5070 gets to the 5080, but then that's probably more waiting, and I'm on a fairly old card already.
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Soldato
Uhm..... that sounds like a pretty insane take to me. "It's cool to scam folk because they're too dumb to realise it" ??? What? Maybe you mean something else and the message just ain't getting across to me... (at least I'd hope so)
Where's the scam? Seriously? So the 5080 is cut down a bit more vs. the 5090, compared to the historical xx80 vs. xx90 averages? That's the scam? If that's it, then I think your massively over-reacting. Certainly not going to find any lawyers willing to argue that case! Would it be less of a scam if the 5090 was worse?! Strange logic.
Soldato
Nah, I guess I did understand you and clearly we're not going to come to any understanding here so I won't bother further with it.
Soldato
Alright guess I am. Maybe I'm not the most eloquent but I'll try;
GPU names can't be taken in a vacuum, there's an established naming system - fostered over more than a decade - that customers have been conditioned to understand the meaning of and established performance delta between models.. There's been some changes along the way (like the Titans and intro of the 90 series) but the basic understanding of where models sit in relation to the flagship / value within the generation.
If nVidia did veer from the system/understanding that THEY fostered at detriment to the consumer (this is the important bit really, it wouldn't be an issue if the delta was smaller as the customer benefits there); how would that NOT be an attempt at scamming them? I'm 10000% sure it wouldn't meet the legal definition, but it's there in spirit - feel free to call it something else but it's a dishonest way to separate customer from cash whatever word we settle on
This is still just based on rumour and speculation though, but think a different scenario; let's assume the 5080 IS cut down to xx70 levels, but is priced at xx70 level cards - I'd think it weird but I don't think it'd be as much of an issue. This is nVidia we're talking about - there's no way they'd do that xD
Not like nVidia don't have form for intentionally misleading consumers though; not that I'm much of a Linus fan but this is a good little overview of some not-so-far-distant-past shenanigans with their naming:
GPU names can't be taken in a vacuum, there's an established naming system - fostered over more than a decade - that customers have been conditioned to understand the meaning of and established performance delta between models.. There's been some changes along the way (like the Titans and intro of the 90 series) but the basic understanding of where models sit in relation to the flagship / value within the generation.
If nVidia did veer from the system/understanding that THEY fostered at detriment to the consumer (this is the important bit really, it wouldn't be an issue if the delta was smaller as the customer benefits there); how would that NOT be an attempt at scamming them? I'm 10000% sure it wouldn't meet the legal definition, but it's there in spirit - feel free to call it something else but it's a dishonest way to separate customer from cash whatever word we settle on
This is still just based on rumour and speculation though, but think a different scenario; let's assume the 5080 IS cut down to xx70 levels, but is priced at xx70 level cards - I'd think it weird but I don't think it'd be as much of an issue. This is nVidia we're talking about - there's no way they'd do that xD
Not like nVidia don't have form for intentionally misleading consumers though; not that I'm much of a Linus fan but this is a good little overview of some not-so-far-distant-past shenanigans with their naming:
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Don't worry Nvidia jacking up the price of the RTX5090,won't mean all the cards under it will also be pushed up in price! Waits for an RTX5060 at £500 with the same performance as an RTX4070.
Waits for an RTX5060 at £500 with the same performance as an RTX4070.
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Seems PC parts companies are shifting out of China so they don't miss out on that upcoming Nvidia launch action. To dodge the current and upcoming sanctions: the company PCPartner, which owns Zotac, Inno3D and Manli, has moved its headquarters from China to Singapore and moved its GPU production from China to Indonesia
These changes coming two months before the expected launch of the RTX5000 series
These changes coming two months before the expected launch of the RTX5000 series
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the video talks about 2 different cards with different perf levels having the same name.. its not the same as 5080=5070 remarks being made by HUB
but even then theres nothing wrong with it, you cant really regulate this stuff, nvidia is free to brand the gpus however they want
as i said, it all depends on your current card and the underlying need for an upgrade
lets say someone is using a rtx 4070, now if the 5070 is within +/-10% performance levels of 4070, its not a viable upgrade path for them, they may have to look at other higher end options (from either vendor)
Agreed. You may not like it, but Nvidia's doing nothing wrong. They're never going to be willing, or probably able, to make each tier exactly the same proportion of performance difference across all generations, so how much of a deviance from the historical average does one generation have to be before people start shouting "scam"? +-1%? +-10%? +-50%? (And in any case, by what metric? Purely shader core count, or performance in a particular benchmark, or game?) It's all incredibly arbitrary.
When all's said and done, Nvidia provides no guarantee or guidance that one model should perform within x% of another, and so deviating from historical norms is their perogative. They do provide the stats, and consumers can look to review sites for benchmarks for their favourite game. After that, it's up to consumers to decide to pay or not to pay. Given the price of these cards, only the richest or most demanding (or most obsessive) consumers will go for them anyway.
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I never said Linus' vid was anything to do with the 50 series; it was just a vid highlighting nVidia's willingness to mislead customers.. literally as I stated right above the video.
Fundamentally disagree that there's nothing wrong with it. However, you are correct that it's not regulated and nVidia can brand however they want.
And now we're back to informed users (enthusiasts if you like), of which we are a very small minority of the gaming community and not the average consumer.
Again, hard disagree they'd be doing 'nothing wrong' - I think the term you're looking for is 'nothing illegal.'
You're right - they can't feasibly make each tier 'exactly' the same across generations... but there's a reason we can tell which tier card it is based on specs. There's "ballpark" areas where each tier sits and nVidia have obviously designed them to sit in those tiers - they didn't magically appear from the heavens all designed and boxed up with their name... if this weren't the case then we wouldn't be able to say that the rumoured leaked specs of the 5080 are would historically put it as the 70 class card.
Again; this is just conjecture on the rumoured specs and could be an entirely pointless discussion. But more broadly speaking, I do wish the PC consumers like us would stand up more against these repeated corporate malpractices... Maybe if we actually did and not just go "well it's not illegal so they've done nothing wrong," we wouldn't have this ridiculous market we currently do with £2k+ top end cards and £1k 'mid-range' cards.