Blackwell gpus

Tinek · 2024-12-18T00:21:13+0000

Grim5 said:
The key wording in the new leak is "AI Neural rendering to revolutionise graphics"

The way I interpret this, is that DLSS4 will be able to render new game data like polygons in the render pipeline - so rather than having frame Gen which just takes existing game data and makes a copy frame, DLSS will now render new game data to create new frames - my guess is that this will be done to make games look better when using DLSS, but it is technically even more fake because DLSS will create game data and assets that don't actually exist in the game, even if it looks the same to your eye, AI software should be able to tell you the individual pixels are different and how different they are.

I wonder whether we'll have the issue of ghost data - e.g rendering extra fingers on hands etc - but maybe not because dlss will have real game data to use as a reference so in theory it should be able to know what the assets should look like, and then just improve those pixels to make it look better and sharper for the player and probably create even better anti aliasing. This will be interesting

I highly doubt that is how it'll work. Generative AI is still relatively slow, too slow for real-time rendering. Also, it eats a ton of memory - this would be reserved only for GPUs with min 16GB, likely 20GB+.

G J · 2024-12-18T00:23:52+0000

wookiee87 said:
!!!DO NOT CALL IT AI RTX 50 SERIES, NVIDIA!!!!!

Inno3D teases "Neural Rendering" and "Advanced DLSS" for GeForce RTX 50 GPUs at CES 2025 - VideoCardz.com

NVIDIA preparing Neural Rendering revolution One of the board partners speaks about new AI-features, spotted by HardwareLuxx. The AI revolution has not happened yet, it seems. At least, that’s what Inno3D’s CES 2025 press release seems to claim. The company talks about everything that will be...

videocardz.com

They should ditch either the AI or the RTX from the naming though they will keep both as everything has to have AI advertised all over it.

I can see it now AI RTX 5070ti Super AI Founders Edition AI. :cry:

chaparral · 2024-12-18T02:55:59+0000

G J said:
I can see it now AI RTX 5070ti Super AI Founders Edition AI.

Am just waiting to find out you no need to spend hours playing games anymore as the GPU AI will play it & finish it for you :cry:

Varys · 2024-12-18T04:54:00+0000

Putting "AI" on the name of anything these days adds 50% to the price for little to no discernible benefit. Even my new microwave oven is AI. God knows what it's thinking about while it warms up a slice of pizza for 30 seconds.

Emlyn_Dewar · 2024-12-18T05:01:42+0000

It's thinking "heat this up", but it's thinking long and hard about it.

Blackjack Davy · 2024-12-18T07:06:08+0000

Emlyn_Dewar said:
It's thinking "heat this up", but it's thinking long and hard about it.

Starting to seem more and more like reality.

brostradamus · 2024-12-18T07:48:14+0000

G J said:
They should ditch either the AI or the RTX from the naming though they will keep both as everything has to have AI advertised all over it.

I can see it now AI RTX 5070ti Super AI Founders Edition AI.

from what i have seen using redundant letters is amd's style
example: XFX RADEON RX 7900 XTX XTREME XXX

TNA · 2024-12-18T08:35:30+0000

If they ever release a card that is awesome they should name it:

XFX RADEON RX 7900 XTX XTREME XXXX NVIDIA EDITION

Doop! · 2024-12-18T09:21:02+0000

Grim5 said:
The key wording in the new leak is "AI Neural rendering to revolutionise graphics"

The way I interpret this, is that DLSS4 will be able to render new game data like polygons in the render pipeline - so rather than having frame Gen which just takes existing game data and makes a copy frame, DLSS will now render new game data to create new frames - my guess is that this will be done to make games look better when using DLSS, but it is technically even more fake because DLSS will create game data and assets that don't actually exist in the game, even if it looks the same to your eye, AI software should be able to tell you the individual pixels are different and how different they are.

I wonder whether we'll have the issue of ghost data - e.g rendering extra fingers on hands etc - but maybe not because dlss will have real game data to use as a reference so in theory it should be able to know what the assets should look like, and then just improve those pixels to make it look better and sharper for the player and probably create even better anti aliasing. This will be interesting

Isn't rendering fake polygons what GPUs used to do in the good old days?

Varys · 2024-12-18T10:12:46+0000

X is a sexy letter though. They could call it AIX 5090.

I remember this article from June - Jensen saying future DLSS would have AI generated pixels/textures

https://wccftech.com/nvidia-dlss-4-generate-textures-objects/

Calin Banc · 2024-12-18T10:46:24+0000

Grim5 said:
The key wording in the new leak is "AI Neural rendering to revolutionise graphics"

The way I interpret this, is that DLSS4 will be able to render new game data like polygons in the render pipeline - so rather than having frame Gen which just takes existing game data and makes a copy frame, DLSS will now render new game data to create new frames - my guess is that this will be done to make games look better when using DLSS, but it is technically even more fake because DLSS will create game data and assets that don't actually exist in the game, even if it looks the same to your eye, AI software should be able to tell you the individual pixels are different and how different they are.

I wonder whether we'll have the issue of ghost data - e.g rendering extra fingers on hands etc - but maybe not because dlss will have real game data to use as a reference so in theory it should be able to know what the assets should look like, and then just improve those pixels to make it look better and sharper for the player and probably create even better anti aliasing. This will be interesting

well... https://research.nvidia.com/labs/rtr/tag/neural-rendering/

JediFragger · 2024-12-18T10:59:03+0000

Mountain of salt as the source is Reddit...

TNA · 2024-12-18T11:04:14+0000

JediFragger said:
Mountain of salt as the source is Reddit...

Assuming true , huge gaps in some cards. Say between the 5070 and the Ti variant.

Their way of probably trying to justify a stupid price for the 5070 Ti.

I get the feeling I will be rocking my 4070 Ti for a while until a pricing error happens or something :cry:

JediFragger · 2024-12-18T11:06:34+0000

TNA said:
huge gaps in some cards.

Agreed, 5060Ti at same shaders is a bit of a shocker. Prob charge 100 more too

alec · 2024-12-18T11:34:24+0000

some of those values are from rumors, some are placeholders
memory amounts and bus widths are quite probable.
shader counts were leaked only for some cards

TrojanWhore · 2024-12-18T11:38:00+0000

Tbh the only part that would surprise me is the PCIe bus on all of them being x16, would have expected the lower end cards to be 8x (or even 4x!)

Doop! · 2024-12-18T12:03:38+0000

I think 12GB on their probably £600+ 5070 is inexcusable in 2025. Especially after Indy Jones.

aardvark · 2024-12-18T12:11:05+0000

aardvark said:
fingers crossed for a 5060ti thats triple the price i paid for my 3060ti and 20% faster.

At this rate i'm not sure it will even be 20% faster

What a world we live in.

JediFragger · 2024-12-18T12:36:07+0000

Doop! said:
I think 12GB on their probably £600+ 5070 is inexcusable in 2025. Especially after Indy Jones.

edit - I should have put 'The perfect meme doesn't exi.....'

Armageus · 2024-12-18T12:41:48+0000

JediFragger said:
Mountain of salt as the source is Reddit...

5060 from that would be a good leap from the 4060's (3072 Shaders 96 TMU 24 ROPS), but the only difference with a 5060Ti being 16GB? can't see that being the case - normally at least a small amount more shaders.

5090 with 512 bit memory - seems unlikely given that we haven't had any 512 bit cards since what the GTX285 (in 2009) or the Radeon R9 290? (2013) - even back then it was touted that buses that wide with the RAM speeds of those times were a challenge.