Blame it on Hiphop

N9ne · 8 Jun 2006 at 14:38

I think it's great that people criticise hip-hop based on the what, 5-10 major artists that are at the top of the chrarts? Actually, these artists could be described as pop-rap artists. I use the term artists loosely, too. However, real hip-hop is massive and full of thousands of artists most of you will never have heard about. They don't feature in the mainstream top 10 charts (50 Cent et al), but actually make excellent music.

Common is an artist that springs to mind. He just recently made it big and you don't see him promoting violence, in fact, he has some very well thought of lyrics.

What I'm saying is, David Cameron is right to criticise those artists. However, he is wrong to criticise the entire genre based on what little he knows about it, or what most of the world know about it. True fans know the gangster image is just a face that the genre can't shake off, whereas the real artists are trapped beneath it, because they aren't rapping about it.

William · 8 Jun 2006 at 15:03

Guybrush said:
Modern rap/hip-hop exists for only two reasons - as a vehicle for the oversized ego of the 'artist' churning it out, and for the wannabes to use it as the soundtrack to their alpha male mentality. Note I use the term 'artist' in the loosest possible way.

Load of LANGUAGE! that applies only the top layer of filth that HipHop has been tarnished with; ruining a fantastic urban movement of expression.

clockworks · 8 Jun 2006 at 20:41

I got the impression that Cameron was criticising the BBC and Westwood for playing some dodgy "music", rather than trying to ban the whole lot.

If people want to listen to it in clubs or at home, that's up to them. Taxpayers money shouldn't be spent on such questionable programming.

I really don't get the whole scene - white people pretending to be black, and posers with guns pretending to be tough, what's all that about? Put them up against some real hard men, like the Krays or Richardsons, and they'd all run home screaming for mummy.

SexyGreyFox · 8 Jun 2006 at 20:51

I was asking the wrinklies at work what they thought of Rap/hip Hop and all of them agreed it was about gang culture and shooting each other.
Whether that is right or not is down to the media but thats how old uns perceive it.
One of them also made the suggestion that the stupid hand movement that all rappers make is that of the firing of a gun and I seem to be agreeing with him.

ElRazur · 8 Jun 2006 at 21:31

dmpoole said:
I was asking the wrinklies at work what they thought of Rap/hip Hop and all of them agreed it was about gang culture and shooting each other.
Whether that is right or not is down to the media but thats how old uns perceive it.
One of them also made the suggestion that the stupid hand movement that all rappers make is that of the firing of a gun and I seem to be agreeing with him.

Let me educate you....

on the hand and finger lingo.

This is WestCoast

Even biggie represent the Westside

This means peace.

ElRazur · 8 Jun 2006 at 21:31

R O C (rocafella)

I think this one means Respect

More to come

ElRazur · 8 Jun 2006 at 21:48

And this is the classic pimp pose

daveyj27 · 8 Jun 2006 at 21:50

LMFAO!!!!!!!!!!!

I'm sorry, but I couldn't hold my amusement in.

ElRazur · 8 Jun 2006 at 21:57

delete - image too big.

JohnnyG · 8 Jun 2006 at 22:00

Do you use any of those poses or gestures El?

ElRazur · 8 Jun 2006 at 22:02

JohnnyG said:
Do you use any of those poses or gestures El?

When im high on Music....yes, I use peace sign and westcoast when im messing about but i dont do the ali g ones..

JohnnyG · 8 Jun 2006 at 22:04

Why West Coast when you live in London & are from Nigeria?

ElRazur · 8 Jun 2006 at 22:07

JohnnyG said:
Why West Coast when you live in London & are from Nigeria?

I listen mostly to westcoast rap! I dont have to be from westside to show some love you know....

if only you can see me im doing one now lol.

EDIT

Hmm why should i support England if im from Nigeria?

Ok i know we didnt qualify but did you see my point?

reflex · 8 Jun 2006 at 22:08

But da east side iz da best dawg innit hommie!

JohnnyG · 8 Jun 2006 at 22:09

So the 3 fingered W gesture is just to show appreciation of the music that comes from there?

ElRazur · 8 Jun 2006 at 22:13

JohnnyG said:
So the 3 fingered W gesture is just to show appreciation of the music that comes from there?

It is hard to explain put if you wanna put it that way... i guess so. You know when people are reenacting what they say in a musical video in the shower? Yeah something like that. Kinda like trying to moonwalk when you here Micheal Jackson's beat!
Having said that, you wont go about moonwalking or say eeeehh eeeeh all the time...

Naffa · 8 Jun 2006 at 22:24

I've just read this thread and think it is discusting :eek:

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Rappers are always making the effort to seem appealing, and to set a good example for our children. Anyone that thinks otherwise can go to hell. I mean look at this, prime example of 50 Cent setting an example for our children.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R5gVhXszrGY

wordy · 8 Jun 2006 at 22:38

ElRazur said:
Hmm why should i support England if im from Nigeria?

Ok i know we didnt qualify but did you see my point?

Because you have been allowed to live here, maybe it would honourable of you to show your loyalty to the country that allows to lead the kind of life you lead, and could never have had back in nigeria.

just a thought :confused:

Puzzled · 8 Jun 2006 at 22:46

William said:
Load of LANGUAGE! that applies only the top layer of filth that HipHop has been tarnished with; ruining a fantastic urban movement of expression.

But Kids only see the top layer! That's the problem!

You can go on about how good the genre really is, but all kids hear is what is on the radio and TV.

If you look at all the music channels, any hiphop / rap song will be full of either half naked girls (not necessarily a bad thing, but do you wonder why so many little girls want to look like hookers now?) or a gang theme (guns / knifes / fighting/ drugs etc) or possibly both.

To say the music that is most accessible to kids doesn't promote gang culture is naive.

ElRazur · 8 Jun 2006 at 23:29

wordy said:
Because you have been allowed to live here, maybe it would honourable of you to show your loyalty to the country that allows to lead the kind of life you lead, and could never have had back in nigeria.

just a thought

I am not one of them so to speak, i treat this place as my own home, besides i was born here so this is home away from home for me anyway.
Im sick of non-sense comment like this.