Blame it on Hiphop
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Balddog said:
Showing your google knowledge here? I am not going to get into a debate as to whether it is legal or not. The point is there is a censoring system in place to make sure music like that dont fall into kids hand period. As far as the UK is concerned we havew one in place and it is ILLEGAL to sell to kids.
I dont know what you mean by "certain behaviours", should you be reffereing to violence then i will say that is just silly too.
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vonhelmet said:
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thats very tame for some of the lyrics that can be found in a metal song though; "i want to slit your throat and **** the wound"
...that is a little more explicit, but again does not TELL people to go and do this, it is obviously an expression
i really cannot stand hip hop, and am not sayin gthe lyrics do promote violence but you see more on the news and other media about violence between "stereotypical" hip hop fans though where as i cant remember the last time i heard or saw anything about any violence between any metal fans or anything
Saw something about a kid who killed his brother with a hammer because he saw it in manhunt, im sorry but if you do that to someone then its not the game/film/music its the individual who obviously had something wrong with them to be able to do something like that
There is going to be acts of and talk of violence in all forms of media, and i cant see anything that is ever going ot be done about it really, it only takes a few individuals to take what they see/hear to seriously and everyone just starts blaming the media instead of the individual them selves
ElRazur said:
Google knowledge? What the hell is your problem? Im basically agreeing with you....Im just not pig headed enough to stick my head in the sand.
Some of us actually know things about things...You aint gonna get into a debate about it because you dont know what youre talkin about..
Im talking about the hiphop and rap culture..
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Balddog said:
I'm with Balddog on this one. That quote pretty much sums up my opinion.
Whilst I dislike the Conservatives and their political views rarely match up with mine. They are making the rap/hiphop music culture a scapegoat, but thier are obviously detrimental effects to society. The most apparent seems to be the amount of swearing that children are exposed to. Young children do listen to music that they don't understand and these words become normal vocabulary. This is surely detrimental to soeciety as a whole?
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Ill take back a fair bit of my previous post, it WAS a touch trollish and inflamatory.
I am an avid opponent of censorship and "nanny state" but theres a few bits you do need to agree to.
1) Rap + hip hop started life as the voice of angry, aggressive, often violent young men (i.e VERY low pay American neighbourhoods)
2) There is a DEFINTE link with rap/hip-hop culture and gun crime/violence. The fact that "artists" kill each other over the music is a very real and worrying fact - that it is becoming more common in this country on the back of the scene around the music is worrying and something politicians should be commenting about.
3) Every musical genre has a "scene" around it, some positive, some not so. The scene around rap/hip-hop is one of gun crime, intimidation and violence. Listening to the music doesnt make you like that, being part of the scene around the music more likely does. It may well be the case ElRazur that you arent part of the "scene" around the music and just enjoy it, but if your not being blinkered you cant really disagree that there IS a very real link.
Anyway, everyone to their own, I admit to being extremely biased and hating rap/hip-hop in all its forms as depressing, nasty, tuneless and largely angry.
Appologies for the tone of my original post, it was done at work, in a rush
I am an avid opponent of censorship and "nanny state" but theres a few bits you do need to agree to.
1) Rap + hip hop started life as the voice of angry, aggressive, often violent young men (i.e VERY low pay American neighbourhoods)
2) There is a DEFINTE link with rap/hip-hop culture and gun crime/violence. The fact that "artists" kill each other over the music is a very real and worrying fact - that it is becoming more common in this country on the back of the scene around the music is worrying and something politicians should be commenting about.
3) Every musical genre has a "scene" around it, some positive, some not so. The scene around rap/hip-hop is one of gun crime, intimidation and violence. Listening to the music doesnt make you like that, being part of the scene around the music more likely does. It may well be the case ElRazur that you arent part of the "scene" around the music and just enjoy it, but if your not being blinkered you cant really disagree that there IS a very real link.
Anyway, everyone to their own, I admit to being extremely biased and hating rap/hip-hop in all its forms as depressing, nasty, tuneless and largely angry.
Appologies for the tone of my original post, it was done at work, in a rush
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Spawn said:That he has a point
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Mercutio said:Ill take back a fair bit of my previous post, it WAS a touch trollish and inflamatory.
I am an avid opponent of censorship and "nanny state" but theres a few bits you do need to agree to.
1) Rap + hip hop started life as the voice of angry, aggressive, often violent young men (i.e VERY low pay American neighbourhoods)
2) There is a DEFINTE link with rap/hip-hop culture and gun crime/violence. The fact that "artists" kill each other over the music is a very real and worrying fact - that it is becoming more common in this country on the back of the scene around the music is worrying and something politicians should be commenting about.
3) Every musical genre has a "scene" around it, some positive, some not so. The scene around rap/hip-hop is one of gun crime, intimidation and violence. Listening to the music doesnt make you like that, being part of the scene around the music more likely does. It may well be the case ElRazur that you arent part of the "scene" around the music and just enjoy it, but if your not being blinkered you cant really disagree that there IS a very real link.
Anyway, everyone to their own, I admit to being extremely biased and hating rap/hip-hop in all its forms as depressing, nasty, tuneless and largely angry.
Appologies for the tone of my original post, it was done at work, in a rush
omg rap and hip hop didnt start like that, at all
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ElRazur said:
But a lot of rap does contain explicit lyrics, the sheer amount of CDs with a warning on the front shows that its not a minority of rap and hiphop artists.
I'm not saying that music is the sole contributor but you'd be naive to this it was a influential factor.
I'd also like to make a point that there are hiphop and rap artisits that don't fit into the stereotype. Will Smith for one gets jibed for producing 'kiddy rap'.
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Talking as a very old man who actually thinks Eminem is a musical and lyrical genius but can't stand any other Hip Hop/rap artists - I can say 100% that the majority of my age group would think that the music is associated with Gangstaz, Soldierz and basically promoting killing of other gang members.
Perhaps the fault lies with watching too much Ali G but I'm sure Ali G was based on facts of that particular culture.
Perhaps the gangsta culture is complete rubbish and we've all been reading too much media and its very isolated cases. However, youngsters/teenagers believe what they hear.
eg When I was 18 Punk Rock hit the scene and I was convinced that spitting at the artists was part of the scene because I'd read it in the media.
I saw both The Sex Pistols and The Clash walk off stage refusing to come back until people stopped. Johnny Rotten even shouted out "Stop reading the ******* media".
It will be very hard to convince me that Hip Hop/Rap doesn't promote the use of guns, knives, violence etc to attack and maim members of opposite gangs.
Perhaps the fault lies with watching too much Ali G but I'm sure Ali G was based on facts of that particular culture.
Perhaps the gangsta culture is complete rubbish and we've all been reading too much media and its very isolated cases. However, youngsters/teenagers believe what they hear.
eg When I was 18 Punk Rock hit the scene and I was convinced that spitting at the artists was part of the scene because I'd read it in the media.
I saw both The Sex Pistols and The Clash walk off stage refusing to come back until people stopped. Johnny Rotten even shouted out "Stop reading the ******* media".
It will be very hard to convince me that Hip Hop/Rap doesn't promote the use of guns, knives, violence etc to attack and maim members of opposite gangs.
Let's not be stupid. Ganster rap does promote violence, in just about every way you can promote a cause. It promotes it with its lyrics, it's attitude, it's subtle suggestions and it's blatant instructions. This wouldn't be an issue, but this hardcore message is combined with the ultra-mainstream appeal of international "breakout" rappers; the Young Buck's, Cassidy's and 50 Cent's, who continue to push an incredibly violent message along with pop-beats and broad, mainstream advertising.
There are Hip Hop artists; Common, Talib Kweli, The Roots, Jurassic 5, Mos Def, and a thousand other talented individuals, who rap about life - including violent Ghetto-related issues, wihout needing to tell everyone who listens that it's character building to pick up a Glock and shoot another person for money.
There are Hip Hop artists; Common, Talib Kweli, The Roots, Jurassic 5, Mos Def, and a thousand other talented individuals, who rap about life - including violent Ghetto-related issues, wihout needing to tell everyone who listens that it's character building to pick up a Glock and shoot another person for money.