Blame on both sides

Screeeech · 15 Aug 2017 at 22:14

Quite a bizarre press conference from Donald Trump, on the back of the Charlottesville unrest.

Apparently, both sides are to blame - ie; the alt-left/liberal protesters who attacked neo nazis/kkk/white supremacists, are just as bad, and carry just as much blame.

I'm a bit concerned - I'm pretty sure if we had nazi flags being paraded through our streets - I wouldn't feel particularly bad, in any moral way about meeting them head on, violently if necessary.

What are people's thoughts on this? is there truly blame on both sides - if so why?

Or - should the rights of neo nazis/racists/kkk/etc be respected just as much as liberals?

Diddums · 15 Aug 2017 at 22:18

Oh boy. Here we go.

Sliver · 15 Aug 2017 at 22:22

Morons gonna moron, liberals gonna liberal, pick a side and stand or fall.

dowie · 15 Aug 2017 at 22:22

It's like trying to get Jeremy Corbyn to specifically condemn the IRA "all terrorism is bad m'kay"

Dis86 · 15 Aug 2017 at 22:23

Screeeech said:
Quite a bizarre press conference from Donald Trump, on the back of the Charlottesville unrest.

Apparently, both sides are to blame - ie; the alt-left/liberal protesters who attacked neo nazis/kkk/white supremacists, are just as bad, and carry just as much blame.

I'm a bit concerned - I'm pretty sure if we had nazi flags being paraded through our streets - I wouldn't feel particularly bad, in any moral way about meeting them head on, violently if necessary.

What are people's thoughts on this? is there truly blame on both sides - if so why?

Or - should the rights of neo nazis/racists/kkk/etc be respected just as much as liberals?

2 wrongs don't make a right. They are entitled to free speech. So yeah, both sides hold some blame.

Tom_ed1987 · 15 Aug 2017 at 22:23

More general observation but the extreme liberals seem to act more like Nazis than the Nazi party.

[FnG]magnolia · 15 Aug 2017 at 22:26

Didn't President Donnie Two Scoops Trump eventually and grudgingly admit that Nazis are, you know, bad? But only after almost every person of note in America and overseas said it first.

POTUS, ladies and gentlemen.

Anyway, this thread will be a dumpster fire.

Screeeech · 15 Aug 2017 at 22:27

Dis86 said:
2 wrongs don't make a right. They are entitled to free speech. So yeah, both sides hold some blame.

Is it really 2 wrongs though?

Is it really true, that the liberal left are as bad as neo nazis and the actual real KKK? I mean, I'm struggling to see them both being equally bad, and thus carrying equal amounts of blame,

RoboCod · 15 Aug 2017 at 22:28

The fact is the US is more concerned about maintaining people's rights as they are their own responsibilities. You only need strike a 2 minute conversation with just your average American and he'll be spitting till he's blue in the face that it is his god given right to carry an an arsenal of weaponry. It matters not that it is probably very irresponsible to have loads of guns in a house with kids and that any silly backwards turnip can arm himself to the teeth then hose a school down. The responsibility matters not, your constitutional rights are much more important.

Same attitude goes for freedom of speech. If you can't walk down a street swinging baseball bats and parading Nazi flag's in an obvious show of violent force then you are fundamentally being obstructed from demonstrating your right to absolute freedom of speech.

And they shun us for trying to police such crap

Dis86 · 15 Aug 2017 at 22:28

Screeeech said:
Is it really 2 wrongs though?

Is it really true, that the liberal left are as bad as neo nazis and the actual real KKK? I mean, I'm struggling to see them both being equally bad, and thus carrying equal amounts of blame,

Yes. They reacted violently to an initially peaceful protest.

Hades · 15 Aug 2017 at 22:28

Screeeech said:
Quite a bizarre press conference from Donald Trump, on the back of the Charlottesville unrest.

Apparently, both sides are to blame - ie; the alt-left/liberal protesters who attacked neo nazis/kkk/white supremacists, are just as bad, and carry just as much blame.

I'm a bit concerned - I'm pretty sure if we had nazi flags being paraded through our streets - I wouldn't feel particularly bad, in any moral way about meeting them head on, violently if necessary.

What are people's thoughts on this? is there truly blame on both sides - if so why?

Or - should the rights of neo nazis/racists/kkk/etc be respected just as much as liberals?

I agree if the organisation are banned. But...

I'm pretty sure Nazi symbols are banned in this country. However let's assume there are some other extremist, but legal, symbols being waved and the protest was completely legal. It could be on the left or right.

Would you still have the same view that you have a right to VIOLENTLY protest against someone else's legal viewpoint?

Malevolence · 15 Aug 2017 at 22:30

The teenage Son of a friend of mine is one of those dumb AntiFa types, goes to all the marches dressed in black with a hood and facemask and tries to start fights with the right wing groups. He also carries SWP banners too. As you'd expect he ain't too bright, so you want to see how angry he got when mid rant about Nazis it was pointed out, as a bit of a wind up, that Nazism is actually National Socialism.

Poor **** got so confused and irate that he lashed out and smashed up his own hifi system.

mmj_uk · 15 Aug 2017 at 22:32

Trump actually made some very good points but BBC etc don't report it when they put their own spin on things, a lot of protestors were there to peacefully protest a monument being taken down and as Trump pointed out some of the revered founding fathers were slave owners so are the far left going to wipe them from history too? burn all of the history books? how about knocking down Mount Rushmore? not ALL of the protesters were KKK types just as not all of the "Antifa" protestors were the rent-a-thug types, turning up with their faces covered looking for a fight.

IronWarrior · 15 Aug 2017 at 22:35

StriderX · 15 Aug 2017 at 22:35

Well tbh, everyone is to blame in reality.

That is the function of a democracy, even if people don't like it, sure you can put some of the blame away by saying "representative", but in the end, that's rather pointless. Of course i'll be saying everyone when i just mean US citizens, but it's everyone's fault that they couldn't find a better President than this toilet, it's everyone's fault that seemingly decades worth of a pseudo-one party state that is supposed to be all about freedom of the individual is allowed to continue, it's everyone's fault that they've let public discussion become so vitriolic and base.

Everyone saying otherwise is part of the problem (a Troll, a fascist and a unic), if you wan't to go out and punch someone for believing something, then go right ahead, but you'll be sorry for the state of affairs it puts us in, so-called liberals.

/not an anti-liberal spat, but an anti-people spat (as usual) and quite annoyed this has to come stupidly out of this toilets mouth rather than an intellectual

Malevolence · 15 Aug 2017 at 22:35

Oh yeah, the BBC can't be reporting on the legitimate concerns about the re-writing of history. That would mean they'd have to present the side of the story they want to ignore in order to further their own agenda.

Participant · 15 Aug 2017 at 22:37

Screeeech said:
Is it really 2 wrongs though?

Is it really true, that the liberal left are as bad as neo nazis and the actual real KKK? I mean, I'm struggling to see them both being equally bad, and thus carrying equal amounts of blame,

Blame should be apportioned by an individual's actions, not by membership, or lack of, of a given group.

IronWarrior · 15 Aug 2017 at 22:38

I watch all the live rallies and protests live when it happens from different people at the same time and I can tell you from what I seen, it's always ANTIFA and BLM and the "left" protesters who are now being described as the "alt left" as the ones who start the trouble. They bring weapons from bricks, to bottles and molotovs, bike u-locks and large wooden sticks and other weapons and are often the police won't do anything about it.

I have seen the left stab people with knives and attempt to set the other side on fire, there is videos all over youtube that shows this.

The Police pretty much always refuse to get between the two groups or do their jobs and are often ordered to "stand-down".

Where is the police when the "alt left" knock down a statue? You know a other group that kock down status? Nazis and ISIS.

IronWarrior · 15 Aug 2017 at 22:45

Take a look at this photo, the liberal left with his "peace" stick bashing the guy in the head while hes on the floor, honestly how sick do you have to be in the head do do that? Where the hell is the police?

Ignore the yellow circle, there is some debate if that is an undercover police officer who didn't do anything or some sad git with a CCJ badge.

dowie · 15 Aug 2017 at 22:48

I posted this in another thread but it is probably applicable here too: