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Character assassination is a popular tactic of certain political groups these days to stifle any and all debate that doesn't work with their belief system.
Blame on both sides
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Not at all. I dont believe you support them at all.
I would just like to know how you would feel if you were put in the same situation as the locals in Charlottesville.
It is wasted on me.
I'd do what 99.9% of the people of Charlottesville did, ignore them.
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Racists in America like to use the Confederate flag as a badge of defiance. That shouldn't be a reason for flags and statues to be removed.
If racists in this country had decided to use Celtic symbols should they be removed too?
Should Celtic crosses now have "certain connotations".
I appreciate that it's a poor example but try to understand my point.
Nothing i said was anywhere close to character assasination. I was simply trying to gauge why some on here seem to have no sympathy with people being confronted by nazi's marching down their streets. Especially now that they live in a country where their own president wont condemn them explicitly and directly.
The most likely cause of increased violence is the lack of perceived support that the american population will get from their own government against pro nazi rallies like this.
But that misses my point, as I said. It is how you deal with it that we differ on THAT is the point you seek to make. By ignoring it you should not read that as support or approval. In my experience indifference/belittlement of those seeking a fight is the best way to defuse and remove their power and eventually make them go away. They thrive on confrontation, give them that, not least when surrounded by the worlds media and they win.
How exactly were people being confronted by Nazis? I mean, confronted by them? You mean it was awful that they would have seen them if they were in the area?
And that seeing a Nazi (a plonker, basically) is such an affront that it must be prevented at all costs?
Because if all they are doing is legally protesting (sure, sure, dressed like plonkers and saluting like plonkers), then the only confrontation you could be implying was that you'd have seen them if you turned up.
The vast majority of people wouldn't have bothered to turn up, would have done something more useful with their time, and wouldn't even have had to see them.
It's not like they were marching down the street, burning houses and killing people. There were police there to monitor and control the "Nazi" protest.
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Are you talking about Trump?
Calling Lying Ted, Crooked Hillary, Not a real Hero John McCain, etc etc etc ?
I agree and would do the same as you. However I can sympathise with those who may have fealt threatened and with those who will not tolerate racist demonstrations such as this. Even more so when it has taken their own president two days to actually condemn it somewhat ( but even then just effectively say it was six of one and half a dozen of the other). That surely doesnt give the American people faith that this sort of thing wont get too out of hand does it?
People who felt the need to show solidarity against the Nazis could have peacefully protested against them. They had that option.
But "not tolerating fascism" seems to be being used as a justification for violence. For mob rule.
I suspect if no one had turned up then no one would have been threatened. Turn the other cheek, let them make idiots of themselves, laugh at them, take it to social where most of the world support the rationale people of the nation. If they come into your house and try to threaten, kill them, the US law allows for that sanction. THAT would be my approach, not seeking to confront a small group of organised anarchists lead blindly by bigots. Sure I'd want to hurt them, but I could also think of better ways to diminish their influence. If all the right wingers had been mowed down and killed I would not have lost much sleep, frankly.
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They're turning up for $25 an hour www.crowdsondemand.com
No-one is saying they're not.
The police in Charlottesville didn't disperse the protest (when it changed route and therefore became an illegal protest) because the protesters had more firepower than the police.
Good luck shooting them if they come to your house.
Another issue with the US constitution.
The police said the white supremacists deviated from their agreed marching path and began to stream in from different directions, deliberately marching into the counter-protesters.
When a bunch of Nazi thugs wearing armour and carrying weapons is marching towards you, that's called being 'confronted.'
And that's when the police should have taken control. Shut down the protest and kept people separated.
But the reality, as conveyed by photos of the scene, is that both groups had come for a fight.
They did shut down the protest. Keeping people separated was the hard part.
But part of the point is, both sides knew what they were getting into. Both sides brought weapons. Both sides used them.
If you're committed to peaceful protest you don't run around brandishing weapons.
And in the case of protesting against the neo Nazis, one suspects that people committed to peaceful protest avoid the scene altogether. Objecting to something can take many forms, and doesn't have to be protesting on the streets. It would make the police live's easier if people just ignored them, and chose to voice their disapproval on social media, radio phone-ins, writing their MPs, etc.
The point is they can't be defeated in a bloody fist fight on the streets. They aren't a serious threat in their tiny numbers anyhow. Who honestly takes neo Nazis seriously in the US or here? A tiny movement that nobody in their right mind would affiliate themselves with. More a sign of mental illness than a serious political movement, tbh.
How are people seriously trying to suggest that the actions of the white supremacists were just them exercising freedom of speech?
Nazi symbols and salutes, racist chants, flaming torches, helmets and shields, automatic weapons on display, deviating from the agreed route to engage in confrontation etc.
Nazi symbols and salutes, racist chants, flaming torches, helmets and shields, automatic weapons on display, deviating from the agreed route to engage in confrontation etc.
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