I'm not swapping any context, I commented on your genocide statement, do you have anything to back it up or not? You're now dodging the question by moaning about me quoting you and waffling about Arnie instead of supporting what you said when directly questioned.
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I'm not swapping any context, I commented on your genocide statement, do you have anything to back it up or not? You're now dodging the question by moaning about me quoting you and waffling about Arnie instead of supporting what you said when directly questioned.
Where have I apologised for anyone standing with Nazis? I've been pretty clear that I'd not do so though I've also pointed out that your genocide comment is likely just hyperbole and you've so far not provided anything to support it, despite being happy to quote me and attempt to obfuscate.
I've laid out the obvious context of genocidal Nazis, they are the ones with the swastickers standing shoulder to shoulder with the KKK, thankfully you agreed you wouldn't stand shoulder to shoulder! Do you have a point?
So you're sticking with the idea of there being nothing other than the two extremes. I have no idea how anyone could convince themselves that's reality, so I'm at a loss for a way to explain that there's a huge amount of middle ground between those two extremes. It's like trying to explain the existence of Europe to someone who's convinced that there's nothing but sea between Asia and the Americas.
How does it make sense to you to claim that "My position is against violence, hatred, irrational prejudices, authoritarianism, etc." is "being apologists for people standing shoulder to shoulder alongside Nazis, literally wearing swastikas"?
How does it make sense to you to falsely claim I've made trite remarks about the KKK being against genocide? You know that I haven't done that - this is a public forum and you have access to all my posts in it.
What have you laid out re: genocide?
You asked me if I'd march alongside Nazis on the previous page too and I said back then that I'd not.
I believe it's been a feature of Nazis.
Why do you need to put positions not made by me?
Dragged to a vivisection march who peels of to eat a McD's, only binary positions exist?
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I belive it has during WW2, I'm not quite sure of the relevance to Neo Nazis on a march in 2017?
Your current position is based on the premise that anyone who disagrees with violent authoritarian fascists and racists is an apologist for Nazis. That's about as binary a position as it's possible to have.
You explicitly called me an apologist for Nazis in direct reply to me stating my position: "My position is against violence, hatred, irrational prejudices, authoritarianism, etc."
So yes, you are very clearly taking the most extreme binary position possible, pretending that the two flavours of fascism are the only things that exist and that anyone who isn't in favour of one must be in favour of the other.
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Unbelievable!
Should we assume then that both sides were advocating for genocide then because of the activities of Hitler and Stalin decades ago?
It seems to me that to push forth the argument that people are calling for genocide you might need some actual evidence to support it. The right wing protestors seem to be speaking out against 'white genocide' which also seems to be hyperbole.
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yeah I don't really get where stewski's coming from.
they may be nazi in ideology, but they're not even on the map in terms of being a threat.
they may be nazi in ideology, but they're not even on the map in terms of being a threat.
I'd suggest the ones calling themselves Nazis and dressing in Nazi uniforms is a great place to start!
Except for the terrorist murdering one?
Why is that a great start? What actual evidence do you have?
Do you also put forth the same argument regarding the counter protests because there were Communist flags flying? Logically by flying the flag they must be calling for genocide?
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live stream for the rally today: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1RturpZ8Ato
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1 person killing 1 other person happens every day.
not even on the map.
I just can't believe that in 2017 we have such a massive bunch of absolute douche bag extremists at both ends of the spectrum.
I'd hoped that the majority would be in the middle ground these days and that left/right was coming to an end but now I'm genuinely worried that we're headed towards politics that cater for the idiots that are shouting the loudest. Some of the media are already there.
Sad times.
I'd hoped that the majority would be in the middle ground these days and that left/right was coming to an end but now I'm genuinely worried that we're headed towards politics that cater for the idiots that are shouting the loudest. Some of the media are already there.
Sad times.
Everything you have posted to me thus far on this topic is in response to my position that it is correct for Arnold to suggest standing with Nazis supporting a failed ideology is wrong and should be condemned!
It's almost definitional of a Nazi apologist to stand along side actual Nazi's!
You have yet to condemn Rallying alongside Nazis and so far Dowies position is Nu Nazi may be different and the KKK dont say they support genocide (historically I suspect neither did the Nazi's).
Craziest discussion ever!
I've not even said anything about the KKK. I have however asked for evidence that the people on this march (or at least the main speakers) support genocide. So far you've not provided it but have concluded that they must obviously do so (which discounts that they perhaps subscribe to Nazi political ideology or perhaps even that they might be among those lunatics who deny the holocaust even happened). You also don't seem to be willing to clarify whether you extend the same argument to people carrying the Soviet flag?
I don't think it is even in dispute that these people are nasty individuals following dubious ideologies, however the genocide comment is hyperbole and you've not been able to support it.
I don't think it is even in dispute that these people are nasty individuals following dubious ideologies, however the genocide comment is hyperbole and you've not been able to support it.
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