Blame on both sides

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All posters who say both sides are genuinely as bad as each other needs an urgent lesson in history IMMEDIATELY. It wasn't the left who enslaved the blacks or killed six million jews.

Did your history lessons ignore Mao, Stalin and Pol Pot? They were considered "Left".
 
But could it not be the case, that some views are so abhorrent and toxic to society at large, that to stand by and ignore them without taking action, could in the long run lead to far bigger problems?

People may claim, that the "alt-left" are equally as bad for being violent, but I'm not sure this is true - because they're not the ones openly calling out for the slaughter of black people.

Reminds me of that Einstein quote; the world is in greater peril from those who tolerate or encourage evil than from those who actually commit it.

Many of the more extreme alt-left activists are only too happy to oppress anyone with a different opinion to themselves and incriminate reason often while hiding behind the moral high ground or using it to try and shut down differing views, etc. while trying to impose arbitrary restrictions or redefine what is normal in pursuit of "social justice" which just as much applies to your post.
 
People may claim, that the "alt-left" are equally as bad for being violent, but I'm not sure this is true - because they're not the ones openly calling out for the slaughter of black people.
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Well, a lot of the "alt-left" are screaming for white genocide and that all white people should die, damn, even white people are saying this too. You not heard of that or seen it?

Hey, here is a example: http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2017/jun/21/johnny-eric-williams-trinity-college-professor-cal/ this is the first thing I found when googled, but I seen people both black and white saying that white people should die reposted from twitter and places. If you search for it the hashtags, you might find more.
 
we need new words to describe political leanings, why the hell do so many people have this idea that lefties are all softy softy innocent and people on the right are blood thirsty thugs. crazy crazy times.
 
Exactly.

World War II - There was blame on both sides. The allies killed people too!

That's basically what his argument boils down to.
But there was blame on both sides. It's widely acknowledged today that the crippling reparations imposed on Germany after WWI basically created Hitler, and the environment he needed to gain power.

Perhaps not so black and white as you say.
 
Both sides are full of degenerates and pretty much as bad as each other. You can't point that out though for fear of being called a Nazi... I'll just stay quietly in the middle then I guess.
 
Both sides are full of degenerates and pretty much as bad as each other. You can't point that out though for fear of being called a Nazi... I'll just stay quietly in the middle then I guess.

Quiet until the moment that it infringes upon you?

The current world power and the predecessor are currently almost entirely neutered because of the reaction (Trump/Brexit), how much more can this escalate into absurdity?

It's also very unsurprising that supposed centrist mascots (Trudeau and Macron) are totally inadequate or being shown to be so by incredibly biased media, mind you Trudeau seems to just be an ******* honestly and Macron isn't being as forthright as he's let on.
 
Many of the more extreme alt-left activists are only too happy to oppress anyone with a different opinion to themselves and incriminate reason often while hiding behind the moral high ground or using it to try and shut down differing views, etc. while trying to impose arbitrary restrictions or redefine what is normal in pursuit of "social justice" which just as much applies to your post.

I think one of the major difference is the "alt-left" don't generally go out and attack/kill random people on the street, rather if they use violence it's against extremists on the other sides (at protests and rallies). Neo nazis and white supremacists do go out and assault and kill "randoms" on the street.

Not that I'm condoning the violence of those on either side, rather pointing out there generally is a big difference in the type and timing of the violence (and it's unusual for an "alt left" to kill someone, unlike a far right "activist").

Out of interest what are people's opinions on this?

http://globalnews.ca/news/3671970/t...n-confronts-her-neighbour-over-swastika-flag/

Apparently he hung the Nazi flag out for an unrelated reason to the protest.
 
I think one of the major difference is the "alt-left" don't generally go out and attack/kill random people on the street, rather if they use violence it's against extremists on the other sides (at protests and rallies). Neo nazis and white supremacists do go out and assault and kill "randoms" on the street.

Not that I'm condoning the violence of those on either side, rather pointing out there generally is a big difference in the type and timing of the violence (and it's unusual for an "alt left" to kill someone, unlike a far right "activist").

Partly that was because traditionally a good number of the more extreme left despite some who truly had non-violent principles, would rather someone else got their hands dirty for their ideals usually by manipulation of emotional rhetoric, etc. seems to be increasingly less truly non-violent types within the more active left these days though.

Granted the extreme right tend to be quicker to more violent means in general.
 
Alex Jones, staying classy as always:

Radio host, conspiracy theorist and Donald Trump supporter Alex Jones — who earlier this year ranted about a “Jewish mafia” run by billionaire George Soros — was at it again Sunday with a theory that “leftist Jews” may have impersonated Nazis to discredit white supremacist protesters in Charlottesville, Virginia.

(Source).
 
Did your history lessons ignore Mao, Stalin and Pol Pot? They were considered "Left".

They were fascist dictators who led authoritarian governments, paying lip service to communism. Fascism is a right wing political ideology; communism is a left wing economic theory.
 
Partly that was because traditionally a good number of the more extreme left despite some who truly had non-violent principles, would rather someone else got their hands dirty for their ideals usually by manipulation of emotional rhetoric, etc. seems to be increasingly less truly non-violent types within the more active left these days though.

Granted the extreme right tend to be quicker to more violent means in general.

And thats different to the "right"? Both sides have many people happy to spout **** to rile people up, although currently the "right" have certainly got a larger proportion, people like Trump mainstream media outlets are just the start.
 
Antifa and the extreme left.

Totally non violent.

Never heard any of them use slogans such as "Bash The Fash" or "punch a Nazi" or carrying baseball bats emblazoned with FCK NZS.

Haven't seen a single one of them block a highway and smash cars to smithereens.

It's astounding how quickly relatively intelligent people can discard their moral compass and justify criminal actions if it is against their perceived enemies.

Just like the poster above, jumping through hoops to deny that wherever communism goes holocaust follows.

If people used their brains and realised they were being used as pawns in a big political game then perhaps less of them would be getting run over, beaten and maced. All they are doing is hastening the arrival of a military state. The banning of public gatherings to protest and the silencing of the public.

It's going to be great when the government decided to do something truly despicable and your rights to protest have been quashed by the actions of these yobs.
 
we need new words to describe political leanings, why the hell do so many people have this idea that lefties are all softy softy innocent and people on the right are blood thirsty thugs. crazy crazy times.
Because universities are a breeding ground for the left. The so called "intelligentsia" believe that they have the moral high ground. That their opinions are completely right and by definition anyone who disagrees is completely wrong.

It's like the immigration argument. On the whole immigration has been a good thing for this country. The health service would likely collapse without it.

But pointing out that immigration, and mass immigration particularly, can have negative effects is effectively banned. To say that immigration puts pressure on the housing system, on school places and on some places creates ghettos is the moral equivalent of shouting "HEIL HITLER" in the eyes of some people on the left.

When you try to stifle any debate and immediate dismiss anyone you disagree with as a racist then there is NO debate. After that there will ONLY be violence.
 
Because universities are a breeding ground for the left.

You mean apart from the studies that show that belief to be a myth of the right

Hell, even our resident racist from Shropshire when trying to post evidence of said belief didn't actually read his source material, which said it was a myth
 
Well, i like it.

I love watching Americans beat the hell out of each other. I dont really care who they are as long as they want to beat up something or somebody!
 
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