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Oh I'm sorry. Were there OCUK board members at the Charlottesville rally?
I do believe that we were discussing your accusation of moderate conservative posters as defenders of the neo Nazis.
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I do believe that we were discussing your accusation of moderate conservative posters as defenders of the neo Nazis.
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It's not proper communism when the left wing commit atrocities. There's always some excuse to deny holocaust wherever it occurs in a communist state.
Communism is an economic theory, not a political ideology. It has been practised successfully without any holocaust (e.g. Jewish kibbutzim). Holocausts are associated with authoritarian and totalitarian regimes, which are typically—but not exclusively—right wing (e.g. Hitler).
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No we weren't
Where did I say the people posting on here were neo Nazis, I just lol'd at the people on here defending them
Ahh, yes, all those moderate conservatives just going about their business before the evil lefty hippies come out and kick their heads in
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I posted that the OCUK posters that you accuse of defending neo Nazis are moderate conservatives. Disagreeing with your viewpoint does not qualify them as sympathetic to neo Nazis.No we weren't
Where did I say the people posting on here were neo Nazis, I just lol'd at the people on here defending them
You then asked where were they amongst the Neo Nazis at Charlottesville.
But I'm not talking about Charlottesville in this instance. I never was. This has always been about the perception of critics as Nazis in the eyes of the left.
I'm pretty sure you've already formed your opinions of me. I'm hopeful that you haven't though and would be glad to be proven wrong.
I've already been called a racist on these boards, albeit through my own fault with an ill constructed joke, but nevertheless I've found people very quick to act with the tar and feathers.
The kibbutzim successfully rejuvenated land that was variously abandoned and mismanaged by its former owners, and they are still around today. They have never been Marxist or communists, but instead practised a form of economic collectivism combined with democratic polity.
How many holocausts are associated with kibbutzim?
We are interpreting each others posts incorrectly.
I posted a general lol at people defending neo Nazis, I didn't say that made them a neo nazi. You then posted about Antifa (not referencing my post) - I asked you who says they are non violent?
You then reply lolling at my post saying I was comparing moderate conservatives to neo Nazis, and since the only neo Nazis I mentioned were at the march, that's why I took it you were saying they were the moderates
Please show me where I asked that?
Yes, there is blame on both sides. You had a racist driving a car into a crowd. You equally had Antifa showing up with the desire and intent to assault people where possible. It is reasonable to condemn those who sought violence.
And you don't have to be a racist to oppose renaming "Lee Park" to "Emancipation Park" and tearing down statues of your political or military figures. I've gone into this in the Trump thread which most have probably read. When the BBC describes, for example, a war monument to fallen Confederate soldiers as "a monument to pro-slavery", then reporting has become very partisan.
And yes, free speech should be universal. I know of no "cure" that isn't worse than the disease.
I am sure that when initially reported, the suggestion was that the Guy drove into the crowd after a group of people had pelted his car with rocks.
Whether this was an act of retaliation or simply a misguided attempt to escape the situation may come out in due course.
However all reference to this seems to have disappeared for now.
'Who was responsible for the violence in Charlottesville? Here's what witnesses say.'
It is worth noting that some of the counter-protest groups were carrying sticks, missiles, and firearms.
It is worth noting that some of the counter-protest groups were carrying sticks, missiles, and firearms.
The rally was protesting the removal of a statue of a confederate general. If you're not part of the left or right, why turn up wearing confederate flag patches?
This kind of "well, that's violence on both sides" nonsense is how the Yoguslav Wars and ultimately the Bosnian genocide happened.
Didn't happen. Drone footage of the event shows that he attacked the crowed without provocation.
Because it didn't happen.
Where's your evidence that the police are often ordered to stand down?
Completely false. This video clearly shows white supremacists preparing for the riot by arming themselves with guns and knives, and expressing their willingness to use them:
Nope. The white supremacists praised the driver.
he's referring to the guys kitted out in green (who were wearing confederate patches and claimed to be 'impartial'), not say the skin head guy on that film who had some guns in his hotel room
can't see anything like that on the footage, someone does whack the rear bumper but to then hit the gas in 'self defence' would be a bit of a stretch to try and justify after only that
They were very obviously not impartial. The Confederate patches debunk that lie immediately.
You mean the skinhead guy who armed himself with multiple firearms and a knife, and took them to the rally while referring to people of other races as 'degenerates' and 'animals'.
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