Quite. Hating people who are not like you, is not the same as thinking it is wrong to hate people who are not like you.
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Quite. Hating people who are not like you, is not the same as thinking it is wrong to hate people who are not like you.
I think most of us can agree Nazis and racist bigots are pure evil and deserve everything they get.
I think the issue of the shifting "line" at where people are labelled racists and Nazis and the violence and social sabotage that is then directed at them by the alt-left is what scares people about the polarising nature of both sides. It's a case of "at what point will my views end up with me being hounded out of my job, get me jumped in the street, have me shot?". That for me is what is enabling the sympathy the far-right is getting in this case.
Hatred feeds and grows on hatred itself.
I think the issue of the shifting "line" at where people are labelled racists and Nazis and the violence and social sabotage that is then directed at them by the alt-left is what scares people about the polarising nature of both sides. It's a case of "at what point will my views end up with me being hounded out of my job, get me jumped in the street, have me shot?". That for me is what is enabling the sympathy the far-right is getting in this case.
Hatred feeds and grows on hatred itself.
Regardless of who you are and what you believe, you lose any kind of sympathy when you come out armed and itching for a fight, surely?
Sure none of us are on the same page as Neo-Nazis. Doesn't mean we condone vigilante action to rough them up (or worse).
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Look at this bloody liberal college professor punching a nazi who had a permit
SJWs everywhere.
If you want to stay true to reality I think you mean.... liberal randomly assaults a dude just for wearing a MAGA hat/supporting Trump. That is what the alt left/antifa has turned into.
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No, we don't agree. Vigilantes are not good people. They aren't white knights on shining armour. Go down that road and who needs cumbersome things like trials, justice. Let the mob sort it out.
Also people's beliefs and attitudes are not fixed in stone, and can be adjusted in some cases. A young Neo-Nazi might be naive and stupid, and might grow out of it. Maybe he doesn't, of course, but we can't assume and let the angry mob put him in a wheelchair. That just isn't the right way to do things.
Sure. But to say the violent element of the so-called Anti-Fascists is any better is bogus. They are both practitioners of violence and both need to be punished every time they resort to violence. We don't even give our police (or military) free reign to beat people up without constraint, so why should a group of civvies think that's OK just because they do it under the banner of anti-fascism?
That's true, but it's disingenuous to single out and one not the other, or even to equate them. Both may have violent elements, but from the ground up one are white supremacists and they oher are protesting white supremacists. Hence my comment that I know who I'd rather have a pint with.
Some were kkk nazi thugs. Not all of them. That Statue is history albeit a dark side of USA history but history none the less. It isn't there to commemorate, more to remember our past much much like A Holocaust museum. It is there as a reminder to us all of our dark past and shouldn't be repeated in the future.I'm sure there was a bunch of folk there who saw the statue as something different but were also a lot of young men there sick of PC correctness bs.
Also, it takes two to tango, why do there have to be counter protestors to everything?
Also, it takes two to tango, why do there have to be counter protestors to everything?
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I'm struggling with how people can claim there's a moral equivalence with standing up to neo nazis and racists, it doesn't sit well with me that people standing up to the sorts of things that were happening in Charlottesville, even with force - are automatically branded as being 100% just as bad, and just as much as a problem.
It seems unbalanced and morally distorted.
It seems unbalanced and morally distorted.
Equivalence of action not belief.
Obviously it's better not to be a Nazi than to be a Nazi
But if you take to the streets with a baseball bat intent on actual GBA, it can't be excused by, "Oh, he's Anti-Fa, it's OK then. Carry on then!"
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It's there as a reminder of a dark past that shouldn't be repeated, and yet the people that organised the protests to keep it think that white people are at threat of ethnic cleasing by migrants, hmmm.
Because you should stand up to Nazis and white supremacists?
You really believe that's why people want to preserve it? I've got a bridge to sell you.
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And that would be fine if that's the context on which it was held.
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Political correctness gone mad!!!111 Insert liberal metropolitan elite lefty Stewart Lee sketch here.
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Maybe because people don't like the threat of white supremacy? I'd say that's worth protesting.
rubbish, its there to commemorate and thats why they dont want it removed.
If people you're protesting are in riot gear and carrying weapons then I don't think it's an unreasonable response to be honest. I'd be pretty scared protesting in that scenario. The question is who throws the first blow.Equivalence of action not belief.
Obviously it's better not to be a Nazi than to be a Nazi
But if you take to the streets with a baseball bat intent on actual GBA, it can't be excused by, "Oh, he's Anti-Fa, it's OK then. Carry on then!"
If they break the law the it's the job of the Police to stand up to them, the courts to sentence them, and the penal system to deal with them.
If they aren't breaking the law then the only ethical recourse is to peacefully protest them.
The last thing we want to do is to vindicate a group of thugs who use violence under the banner of "Anti-Fa". Or to glorify them. Angry mobs don't always achieve just results!
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Or who makes the antagonistic decision to ignore what you agree with the police that would keep you away from the counter protesters, and head straight for them?
Stay away. Report them to the police. Let civilised society show that we don't sink to their level.
But, do you not think that if people stand and do nothing, and allow freedom of speech laws to be legally (1st amendment right) hijacked by nazis in order to incite racial destruction and ethnic cleansing - that it could lead to far far worse problems?
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