Blame on both sides

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DAIR said:
Back on topic.

I agree that both sides were to blame.
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This is the topic!

You agree that at Charlottesville the people Saluting Hitler (the man who committed mass genocide) one of which killed someone, are roughly on a par in blame stakes with locals protesting at Nazis and the KKK visiting their town?

Ignorance and idiocy, like race, are not correlated to skin pigmentation!
 
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DAIR said:
Mate... I believe there was blame on both sides. I have nothing more to add.

Get over it!
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Get over what?

Anyone is free to be as idiotic in their beliefs as they want, don't expect a round of applause from anyone who grew up on an estate that was the centre of the NF and isn't a Nazi!

Tottenham was/is about as rough as Chelsea "mate"!
 
DAIR said:
Wow

I'm going to leave you to it. As you clearly have a massive chip on your shoulder lol.
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Yeah the NF and Nazi's have a habit of doing that to people boy'o!

Doesn't really explain putting murdering Nazi's and the KKK on a par with people protesting their presence, but hey ho, maybe they'll permanently fix your fake gun, stolen moby problem!
 
Is this guy being serious right now lol

Give it a rest. Go do something fun and smile. You seem stressed out.

Poor lad.
 
So let me get this right.... You've come across someone you disagree with. Rather than accepting this fact and moving on. You'd prefer to throw out insults and call me a liar lol.

Really sad.... Really really sad.

Project Cars 2 will be out in a few hours. Can't wait. I genuinely hope you find some happiness or enjoyment within the next few mins.
 
DAIR said:
So let me get this right.... You've come across someone you disagree with. Rather than accepting this fact and moving on. You'd prefer to throw out insults and call me a liar lol.

Really sad.... Really really sad.

Project Cars 2 will be out in a few hours. Can't wait. I genuinely hope you find some happiness or enjoyment within the next few mins.
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No I fully accept the fact we disagree!

Let me get this straight, you typify someone who thinks A bunch Nazi's and the KKK (one of whom murders a protester) are not of equal blame as the residents who protest at their presence as having a chip on their shoulder?

Sad really sad.
 
DAIR said:
I genuinely hope you find some happiness or enjoyment within the next few mins.
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I'm snug at home in a nice suburb with the missus and kid, I'm hardly grabbing a rope and shuffling off to a lamppost because of moronic opinions posted on the internet.
Still one more DanTDM / PopularMMO's video and I can promise nothing. :)
 
I've skipped a few pages of the dross. The impression I get is that everyone who doesn't completely agree with stewski is a Nazi. That's what the word "Nazi" means, right? I thought it meant something else, but I guess I was wrong. Boyo.

This thread has gone so far off the rails that it's now a spaceship.

I think that the fascists on both sides are to blame. They're just different strains of fascism, which is why they hate each other so much.
 
Angilion said:
I've skipped a few pages of the dross. The impression I get is that everyone who doesn't completely agree with stewski is a Nazi. That's what the word "Nazi" means, right? I thought it meant something else, but I guess I was wrong. Boyo.

This thread has gone so far off the rails that it's now a spaceship.

I think that the fascists on both sides are to blame. They're just different strains of fascism, which is why they hate each other so much.
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I think if you want to support rallying alongside Nazis and the KKK (one of whom murders someone innocent) instead of directly addressing the problems with believing that you might:
Say there is blame on both sides
skip addressing people who complain about the problem with any direct points and just say they are calling everyone Nazis when they clearly aren't and haven't.

This thread is about president Trumps (and his supporters) reactions to the KKK and Nazis rallying and murdering in Charlottesville.
 
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DAIR said:
Wow

I'm going to leave you to it. As you clearly have a massive chip on your shoulder lol.
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I’ve never seen so many people hold, brew so much hate as it eats away at them and this taking sides. You’re either for or against, there is no middle/grey area or sense. Then they spin and twist it as a weapon to score points for some reason so they think they’re winning at everything just to smash you into pulp.

 
V F said:
I’ve never seen so many people hold, brew so much hate as it eats away at them and this taking sides. You’re either for or against, there is no middle/grey area or sense. Then they spin and twist it as a weapon to score points for some reason so they think they’re winning at everything just to smash you into pulp.

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LOL

There really is no pointing in debating with his sort.
 
stewski said:
I think if you want to support rallying alongside Nazis and the KKK (one of whom murders someone innocent) instead of directly addressing the problems with believing that you might:
Say there is blame on both sides
skip addressing people who complain about the problem with any direct points and just say they are calling everyone Nazis when they clearly aren't and haven't.
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You have nothing to address. You're just spewing wild accusations because you know it's politically useful to do so.

I think that if you want to support a "leftist" fascist authoritarianism imposed by and maintained by violence and fear, you might do exactly what you're doing.

This thread is about president Trumps (and his supporters) reactions to the KKK and Nazis rallying and murdering in Charlottesville.
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It's hardly surprising that someone who supports authoritarianism would dictate what other people are allowed to talk about into a very narrow framework of their own devising that they made up to presume their own desired outcome. Fortunately for everyone else, you are not yet our "glorious leader".

In Charlottesville, some fascists of two slightly different strains rallied. Some people who weren't fascists also rallied there. The fascists and non-fascists were mixed together, sometimes physically, sometimes by media coverage. One of the fascists on one side drove a car into some people. As far as I can tell, the reason they did so hasn't actually been determined. But that's not important anyway in the context of judging all of both sides. The existence of one single solitary person on one side who did what some people on both sides want to do (kill) doesn't form a valid basis for judging all of both sides, especially when each side consisted of people of differing views pushed together by circumstances and/or media spin.

I think President Trump's reactions to a group of fascists dominating the attention given to each side at Charlottesville and the existence of a de facto two sides on each side (i.e. 4 sides in total) and the existence of a movement devoted to imposing authoritarian rule on the world in general and the USA in particular by use of violence and intimidation (i.e. antifa) that's politically astute enough and skilled enough in propaganda to have a chance of success was very good ethically though very bad politically (which improved my opinion of him significantly). It would have been easy for him to take the unethical but politically useful route and makes things worse. Instead, he made a reasonable interim statement, gathered evidence and then made a more complete reasonable statement based on that evidence. Which was bad for him politically because he didn't make the desired ignorant knee-jerk response demanded by the dominant media spin, but it was the ethical thing to do and it was what a leader of a country should be doing. Although they should be able to do it more coherently.
 
Angilion said:
I think President Trump's reactions to a group of fascists dominating the attention given to each side at Charlottesville and the existence of a de facto two sides on each side (i.e. 4 sides in total) and the existence of a movement devoted to imposing authoritarian rule on the world in general and the USA in particular by use of violence and intimidation (i.e. antifa) that's politically astute enough and skilled enough in propaganda to have a chance of success was very good ethically though very bad politically (which improved my opinion of him significantly). It would have been easy for him to take the unethical but politically useful route and makes things worse. Instead, he made a reasonable interim statement, gathered evidence and then made a more complete reasonable statement based on that evidence. Which was bad for him politically because he didn't make the desired ignorant knee-jerk response demanded by the dominant media spin, but it was the ethical thing to do and it was what a leader of a country should be doing. Although they should be able to do it more coherently.
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They’ll now class you as a Trump lover. Or what is it they say, Trumpiteers/Trumpsters/Brexiteers?
 
V F said:
They’ll now class you as a Trump lover. Or what is it they say, Trumpiteers?
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Well, he's better than them. But that's not a high bar to clear.

It's worrying how successful the extremists are being in response to a more moderate, centrist and considered point of view. They're raving in response to any attempt to even slow down their "progress" to an authoritarian state in which everyone is forced to conform to whatever is dictated by whoever has grabbed enough power by violence and intimidation and their raving is being politically useful.

It's also worrying that Trump is the more moderate, centrist and considered politician. He's rather bad at it.
 
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