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Funny how these are the same people from many forums with the same views that call others ill-informed. Funny also how so called sense and neither taking sides is now classed as someone that should be stoned but these are the same people that twist things to fit their arguments. For what?

Yet these are the same type of people that condemn others for the same bad behaviour when they themselves are so intolerant. Funny how so many people have reached a stage where they’re simply so intolerant of others and simply unwilling to listen to anybodies point of view. Whether you like it or not.
 
Well, he's better than them. But that's not a high bar to clear.

It's worrying how successful the extremists are being in response to a more moderate, centrist and considered point of view. They're raving in response to any attempt to even slow down their "progress" to an authoritarian state in which everyone is forced to conform to whatever is dictated by whoever has grabbed enough power by violence and intimidation and their raving is being politically useful.

It's also worrying that Trump is the more moderate, centrist and considered politician. He's rather bad at it.
I’ve never seen so many people hold, brew so much hate as it eats away at them and this taking sides. You’re either for or against, there is no middle/grey area or sense. Then they spin and twist it as a weapon to score points for some reason so they think they’re winning at everything just to smash you into pulp.

Quoting yoda at someone who disagrees on a forum about defending Rallying alongside Adolph Saluting Nazis who murdered someone protesting their presence or attributing equal blame all round probably isn't something Lucas would expect :)

mmm stormtrooper have to right murder protest must....
 
Quoting yoda at someone who disagrees on a forum about defending Rallying alongside Adolph Saluting Nazis who murdered someone protesting their presence or attributing equal blame all round probably isn't something Lucas would expect :)

mmm stormtrooper have to right murder protest must....

Have you ever considered reading anything anyone has said before "replying" to it?

Or have you done so and are trolling yes? If so, then good job.
 
Have you ever considered reading anything anyone has said before "replying" to it?

Or have you done so and are trolling yes? If so, then good job.
I've read your walls of text that typify locals as fascist for protesting at actual Nazis and the kkk who then attacked them murdering one, yes!
 
I've read your walls of text that typify locals as fascist for protesting at actual Nazis and the kkk who then attacked them murdering one, yes!

So you haven't read anything other than the contents of your own imagination, since your imagination is the only place in which that has happened.

Which means I'm leaning towards the trolling explanation being the correct one.
 
So you haven't read anything other than the contents of your own imagination, since your imagination is the only place in which that has happened.

Which means I'm leaning towards the trolling explanation being the correct one.
I'd say similar about your posts, what fascist leftist am I advocating for, there hasn't been a "leftist" in power in the US or UK in my lifetime!

I'd advocate happily for a government more in step with blended post war Ii outlook of any party and have said so numerous times on these forums!

You make statements like, throwing around wild accusations, quote one!
 
I genuinely want people to understand where I am coming from on this thread about the current Presidents statements following the problems in charlottesville and it is easy to illustrate:

This is the speech from a man with a million people marching on a capital with reasonable anger and tension, the outcomes could be worse not better for those people depending on every word he says and his behaviour:

I say to you today, my friends, so even though we face the difficulties of today and tomorrow, I still have a dream. It is a dream deeply rooted in the American dream.
I have a dream that one day this nation will rise up and live out the true meaning of its creed: 'We hold these truths to be self-evident: that all men are created equal.'
I have a dream that one day on the red hills of Georgia the sons of former slaves and the sons of former slave owners will be able to sit down together at the table of brotherhood.
I have a dream that one day even the state of Mississippi, a state sweltering with the heat of injustice, sweltering with the heat of oppression, will be transformed into an oasis of freedom and justice.
I have a dream that my four little children will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the color of their skin but by the content of their character.
I have a dream today.
I have a dream that one day, down in Alabama, with its vicious racists, with its governor having his lips dripping with the words of interposition and nullification; one day right there in Alabama, little black boys and black girls will be able to join hands with little white boys and white girls as sisters and brothers.
I have a dream today.

If you don't believe me look at the video because the tension is palpable:


Here are the words of The current President following the death:

Reporter: Why did you wait so long to put that last statement out?

Trump: I didn't wait long. I didn't wait long. I didn't wait long.

Reporter: It was at least 48 hours.

Trump: I wanted to make sure — unlike most politicians, that what I said was correct. Not make a quick statement. The statement I made on Saturday, the first statement, was a fine statement. But you don't make statements that direct unless you know the fact. It takes a little while to get the facts. You still don't know the facts, and it's a very, very important process to me, and it's a very important statement, so I don't want to go quickly and just make a statement for the sake of making a political statement. I want to know the facts. If you go back to — I brought it. I brought it. I brought it. As I said — remember this, Saturday — we condemn in the strongest possible terms this egregious display of hatred, bigotry and violence. It has no place in America, and then I went on from there. Now, here's the thing. Excuse me, excuse me. Take it nice and easy. Here's the thing. When I make a statement, I like to be correct. I want the facts. This event just happened. In fact, a lot of the event didn't even happen yet, as we were speaking. This event just happened. Before I make a statement, I need the facts, so I don't want to rush into a statement.

So, making the statement when I made it was excellent. In fact, the young woman, who I hear is a fantastic young woman — and it was on NBC — her mother wrote me and said — through I guess Twitter, social media — the nicest things, and I very much appreciated that. I hear she was a fine, really actually an incredible young woman. But her mother on Twitter thanked me for what I said. And honestly, if the press were not fake and if it was honest, the press would have said what I said was very nice. But unlike you and unlike — excuse me — unlike you and unlike the media, before I make a statement I like to know the facts.

Reporter: Was that terrorism, that event? Was that terrorism?

Trump: Say it. What?

Reporter: The CEO of Wal-Mart said you missed a critical opportunity to help bring the country together. Did you?

Trump: Not at all. I think the country — look, you take a look. I've created over a million jobs since I'm president. The country is booming, the stock market is setting records. We have the highest employment numbers we've ever had in the history of our country. We're doing record business. We have the highest levels of enthusiasm. So, the head of Wal-Mart, whom I know, who is a very nice guy, was making a political statement. I mean, I do it the same way. You know why? Because I want to make sure, when I make a statement that the statement is correct, and there was no way — there was no way of making a correct statement that early. I had to see the facts, unlike a lot of reporters — unlike a lot of reporters. I know, David Duke was there. I wanted to see the facts, and the facts as they started coming out were very well-stated. In fact, everybody said his statement was beautiful. If he would have made it sooner, that would have been good. I couldn't have made it sooner because I didn't know all of the facts. Frankly, people still don't know all of the facts. It was very important — excuse me, excuse me. It was very important to me to get the facts out and correctly, because if I would have made a fast statement — and the first statement was made without knowing much other than what we were seeing. The second statement was made with knowledge, with great knowledge. There's still things — excuse me, there's still things that people don't know. I want to make a statement with knowledge. I wanted to know the facts. Okay.

Reporter: Two questions. Was this terrorism and can you tell us how you're feeling about your chief strategist, Steve Bannon.

Trump: Well, I think the driver of the car is a disgrace to himself, his family and this country, and that is ... you can call it terrorism. You can call it murder. You can call it whatever you want. I would just call it as the fastest one to come up with a good verdict. That's what I'd call it. Because there is a question. Is it murder? Is it terrorism? And then you get into legal semantics. The driver of the car is a murderer and what he did was a horrible, horrible inexcusable thing.

I honestly don't believe the ideology of leaders is any where near as important at this time as their composure and understanding of the effects their words will cause.
In post war Britain our leaders didn't trumpet populist ideology and unlike some they didn't get drawn into pointless left right dichotomy, they just rebuilt and created the NHS and they did it from both parties.
No the blame is not equal and this lack of composure could cost lives!
 
I don't think he's trolling.... It's truly worrying.

This guy isn't interested in having a debate. He simply wants to share his views and have people agree with him.... He wants a platform to preach lol
 
I don't think he's trolling.... It's truly worrying.

This guy isn't interested in having a debate. He simply wants to share his views and have people agree with him.... He wants a platform to preach lol

Is 'debate' simply agreeing with you because you once had a mobile phone stolen in Tottenham?
Watch the video ffs, that is a leader, read the transcript it's from a serial late night tweeter, who's out of their dept and costing people their lives.
 
Sorry are you suggesting that the dead protester from Charlottesville Heather Heyer was actually a Radical Authoritarian Nationalist aka fascist?

No. I'm suggesting that you're a troll because by now it's obvious that you're not replying to anything other than things you've made up yourself and are pretending other people have written. Also that you're lying about being sorry, but that's to be expected nowadays.

Anyone, I'm now convinced you're trolling and I'm going to stop feeding you although I may continue to correct false statements you make about me in public.
 
No. I'm suggesting that you're a troll because by now it's obvious that you're not replying to anything other than things you've made up yourself and are pretending other people have written. Also that you're lying about being sorry, but that's to be expected nowadays.

Anyone, I'm now convinced you're trolling and I'm going to stop feeding you although I may continue to correct false statements you make about me in public.
So you don't quote any wild accusations I've made, ignore the gulf in Leadership and I'm trolling?
 
LOL

You've kicked off because I disagree with your views. Rather than accepting that and moving on. You've resorted to insults, calling me a liar and aggressively delivering orders.

You need to chill out. You have your views. I have mine... Life is far too short to get upset over something like this.
 
Saying Nazi's are genocidal is hyperbole despite it being more or less their raison d'etre, it's not fair to suggest protesting against the KKK and Nazi's is reasonable because ...Antifa exist.

Sure there can be idiots following all ideologies, I'm just saying the Hitler salute followed by killing people is the easiest give away and as far as I can tell the blame at Charlotesville is not equal!
 
LOL

You've kicked off because I disagree with your views. Rather than accepting that and moving on. You've resorted to insults, calling me a liar and aggressively delivering orders.

You need to chill out. You have your views. I have mine... Life is far too short to get upset over something like this.
Quote where I called you a liar?
Quote where I ordered you to do anything?
Awww your rights are infringed because I disagreed with you?
 
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