Blueyonder/Telewest speed upgrades

wow this sounds great, but i am unsure which connection i am on at the moment, i originaly had a 512k line costing £25 + £10 phone(£30 without phone), then it went to 750, then it went up again but i cant remember to what, i can get 120 ish kb/s at the moment so what is that? 1mb or 2mb (i swear its 1.5 but that isnt listed). personally i dont even use this to its limits, i dont use psp (kazza is poor now, too many bad files) so it only gets used for games. i downloaded castle wolfenstien ET (havent played the original online for 18 months was my first online game wow). it only took 50 minutes for 278mb.

any comments?
 
This can give you between 31 and 38Mb/sec theoretical throughput, shared over the users on that "segment"
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Err, anyone else wondering how many users are typically on a "segment"?

You'll only need four before contention kicks in and they can't all get 10mb at the same time. Although contention works differently to ADSL, cable has historically had lower theoretical contention that equivalent ADSL products. If we assumed 20:1 contention, that'd still only be 60 users on a segment.

I'd be interested to know what the actual figures are, don't suppose these have been posted anywhere for the cable cos?
 
Vertigo1 said:
Err, anyone else wondering how many users are typically on a "segment"?

You'll only need four before contention kicks in and they can't all get 10mb at the same time. Although contention works differently to ADSL, cable has historically had lower theoretical contention that equivalent ADSL products. If we assumed 20:1 contention, that'd still only be 60 users on a segment.

I'd be interested to know what the actual figures are, don't suppose these have been posted anywhere for the cable cos?
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I think you can do it by division.

They said they can provide 2meg uplaod per segment, dvide that by what they give each csutomer on the max product so lets say 40k devided by the 2 meg lets say 2 meg gives you 240k that would give you only 6 users per segment :\ hmm i dont know, can you do it this way ? all presuming there 40 k up is the max that they can do at the moment?
 
From what I have read in the past - Telewest won't give this information out as its "commerically sensitive." However there are some areas where the network has gotten a near limits - so they have done some work to resegment the network in those places.

Hopefully these new rates won't affect the network in any bad way but Telewest Broadband have always been good sorting out issues in the past - hopefully they will continue.
 
OK, I have to don my idiot cap here... :(

I'm not sure I truly understand the meaning of the upstream and how it relates to whats coming down. I'm BY Customer and will be upgraded to 4 meg which is great, as when BY conducted what appeared to be trials (where some of us had stupidly high connection speeds for a couple of days) - think this was a week or so ago, everything was sooo fast. I have read through this post but not being particularly good in this area I might have missed an answer already to this.

I mainly use the web for online games and general surfing - nothing else.

Could someone pls be very kind and point me in the right direction. Cheers
 
I remember about 6 months ago I was having horrible internet problems. I was getting huge latency in games websites wouldn't load etc.

Turned out the node or something I was on with the people in my area was oversubscribed. So I hope when they upgrade I don't get the same problem again.
 
buzz_lips said:
OK, I have to don my idiot cap here... :(

I'm not sure I truly understand the meaning of the upstream and how it relates to whats coming down. I'm BY Customer and will be upgraded to 4 meg which is great, as when BY conducted what appeared to be trials (where some of us had stupidly high connection speeds for a couple of days) - think this was a week or so ago, everything was sooo fast. I have read through this post but not being particularly good in this area I might have missed an answer already to this.

I mainly use the web for online games and general surfing - nothing else.

Could someone pls be very kind and point me in the right direction. Cheers
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If thats all you do then 2 would be sufficient, altho 4 would be the better choise as its very cheep.
 
ThE-NiNjA said:
If thats all you do then 2 would be sufficient, altho 4 would be the better choise as its very cheep.
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Well it's just the free upgrade so i'm going with 4meg. You seem to know a fair bit about up n down stream. Care to point me in the right direction to where I can find out more and what it all means??.....

Cheers
 
This is great news for me, I must say I am more than happy with my 2MB at the moment. So going to 10 for the same prices will be great, I most likely will drop it down to the 4MB and save a tenner a month after a few months though :p
Have fun guys :)
 
Fantastic news, I always wondered why they didnt upgrade the upload speed when they moved me from 750 to 1meg :confused: Roll on 4 megs :D
 
ThE-NiNjA said:
I think you can do it by division.

They said they can provide 2meg uplaod per segment, dvide that by what they give each csutomer on the max product so lets say 40k devided by the 2 meg lets say 2 meg gives you 240k that would give you only 6 users per segment :\ hmm i dont know, can you do it this way ? all presuming there 40 k up is the max that they can do at the moment?
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But that makes the assumption that everyone will be using their entire upload, this forums is a very strange place to gauge impressions we all assume that many BY people are like us and make full use of our connections. Im a pretty heavy downloader, use newsgroups, indeed my last months transfer would put most people to shame (and it happened to be 100% legal). But whatever, legal, or not, i dont use upload for almost anything. People saying it will be saturated by the responce packets are talking crap, on my 4 meg, im averaging about 6k a sec in return packets and thats when its downloading @4meg, x 2.5 and thats about 15k a sec when maxed at 10 meg... hardly limiting is it.

I use VPN, voice over IP, video conferencing, very heavy gamer, streaming radio, a lot of big downloads and website design uploads. and the upload just isnt a problem. The only people it will be for are p2p and those are the type of people the ISP is typing to stop. Face it, you will NEVER have the upload you desire as it would cripple an ISP's network.
 
Just gotta say that this is great news...speed upgrade that costs nothing, and takes no effort to get :D

Blueyonder is an excellent ISP, with IMO great service as well. Technically ADSL (esp ADSL2) is a far better technology, and will reach faster speeds...but I think its hamperd in the UK by too many providers fighting for customers with claims that their actual infrastructure can't meet. Hence the plague of cap's that happend.

As for the upload, well although I'd love more upload (vpn's and access from work), the product that blueyonder sells which is personal internet does not NEED it. P2P, well that's a no-no (wont mention blueyonder's excellent usenet peerage though ;p), Server's well that's commercial really isn't it? Ok on this forum the average poster is techy and probly has web servers, vpn's etc...but on the whole that just isn't the case.

It's just a pity their TV service is pant's in comparison, slow dodgy hardware, and a pretty terrible picture to boot. Hopefully the triple tuner pvr that's due to appear later this year will sort some of the issues! :D
 
cjb110 said:
Blueyonder is an excellent ISP, with IMO great service as well. Technically ADSL (esp ADSL2) is a far better technology, and will reach faster speeds...
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I think ADSL will always play a catching up game with cable. Cant beat a modern network :D
 
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