BMW 330e

[TW]Fox said:
Have you polled all the owners? Do you own one? Have you even driven one?

It's almost like assumptions can cause issues isnt it?
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Instead I should assume everyone in this thread has one?

It's easy to make a remark like that when the reality is some kind of assumption must be made when speaking to people.

I'm obviously not gonna go round telling someone who owns the car that their opinions are wrong. It however isn't reasonable to go round acting as though everyone else owns the car.

Also asking if i have performed a poll is easily reversed on anyone with an opinion in this thread.

For the record I have driven a 330e but it isn't a personal experience that is substantial enough to add anything to the conversation.
 
muon said:
Instead I should assume everyone in this thread has one?
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It's probably fair to assume that when somebody says 'from memory the edrive motor delivers about 240nm torque from nothing. So in actual fact it feels a LOT more muscular pulling away than a turbocharged engine below it's boost threshold.' they've probably at least driven one.
 
Torque + (ph)ev the immediate question is do they have a decent traction control (unlike kona) , even though they are rwd
... can't see if the 330e has the i3's ARB system.

Are touring versions of either CLA or 330e availible ? both practical, & CLA version is pretty (and rare on Camb roads), CLA has a dct though.
 
Right, just to clear it up. I have the launch 530e which is closely related to the 330e only it has a smaller battery pack hence shorter range. Yes the range is small especially in the winter but I have a 3.5mile commute and live in a small town close to most amenities, so yes all of my routine driving is done in EV mode, the car is charged daily sometimes twice depending on use. It's really not much of a hassle at all to just plug it in when you park it. Much more convenient than going out of your way to visit a petrol station and fondling covid ridden pumps every week.

For the rest of driving further to go away or see relatives and whatnot it's just a normal combustion car without the range anxiety of an EV.

It IS a compromise I'm not going to try and deny it. The petrol engine is not that economical, the boot space is smaller, the petrol tank is smaller, it's heavier etc. That isn't going to work for everyone but for my usage it does. I also very much enjoy the electric drive experience, it's not fast but it is very serene.

After owning this it has opened up my eyes to EV ownership and would strongly consider going full BEV after this.
 
Ive had my 330e (G20) Msport since November. Ive been pleasantly surprised, car drives well considering its lugging around heavy batteries. I went from a Volvo XC60 to this and i expected a harsh ride, and to be fair 4k miles later, its been a joy.

In terms of fuel economy, mine gets charged every day, in the winter im getting 25miles range. Overall the MPG has been good for me, a work, round trip from the midlands to manchester, gets me 60mpg. Thats starting with a full charge, and driving at 70mph. I went to france in early december, and even then I got a respectable 45mpg on the way back. Yes its a tax fiddle, but its actually way more economical than my FWD Diesel Volvo.

The downside is the pathetic boot and tiny fuel tank, but ive got a roof box to cover me for holidays. Its been great in the snow, I was expecting it to be a proper handful.

One of the best choices for a company car user, dont know why people are so salty over the tax benefits, the driver doesnt make the rules! Also look at the A250E, its a small engine, but BIK is only 6%.
 
The wife has just ordered an E Pace hybrid as the tax difference from the diesel E Pace she had before was so large it was hard to ignore. We dont have any means for her to plug it in at home, but she does at work which means she will be able to drive the 25 miles home on battery power once she has to go back to the office
 
Man there's some tedious guff in this thread.

2p from a recent owner, my GF had one as a company car and I'm quite sure that was in part tax thing and it was never charged externally because our parking spaces were too far away from the house.

However it was frequently used on long runs and switching the mode means you charge through regeneration and then you can switch to full EV when you get to stop start town driving. Worked great.

Considering it's just a 2l turbo in petrol it really could shift too. I loved it, sad to see it go.
 
matt100 said:
Man there's some tedious guff in this thread.

2p from a recent owner, my GF had one as a company car and I'm quite sure that was in part tax thing and it was never charged externally because our parking spaces were too far away from the house.

However it was frequently used on long runs and switching the mode means you charge through regeneration and then you can switch to full EV when you get to stop start town driving. Worked great.

Considering it's just a 2l turbo in petrol it really could shift too. I loved it, sad to see it go.
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You should have run large charging cases across the pavement and stretch if necessary.

Think of the.. um. Environment.
 
[TW]Fox said:
It has a total output of almost 300bhp so what did you expect?!
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I'm talking about just petrol mode and nothing really, just surprised something so relatively large and heavy was so nippy.

The Running Man said:
You should have run large charging cases across the pavement and stretch if necessary.

Think of the.. um. Environment.
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Well firstly it would have been across the back garden not the pavement but my point was that you don't really need to, if the thing is being used for long runs the battery isn't even intended for use and in that situation you pretty much always get home with a fully charged battery.

I remember a friends 530e had a target battery mode which the 3 didn't so you could say for example get the battery to 80, hold it there and anything you generate over that put it back into normal use bringing the MPG down.

I doubt it was earth shattering in terms of green credentials but still, decent cars just as cars.

Rubbish range on petrol mind, it was like my old Focus STs having to be filled every 250 miles or so.
 
arfoll said:
Has the same dual program DSC/dtc system from other recent-ish bmws which I think is about as good as it gets on cars in this price range. Not sure what the "ARB" system is on i3 though, it's a very different driving experience to an i3 though...
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330e has steptronic ie a nice torque convertor (it's a complement)

ARB (which tamed the newer i3's) ->

jpaul said:
german bmw site had a better explanation of this ARB system introduced on i3s and on 128ti - why do they re-use acronyms
a faster, preemptive, DSC - makes much more sense - english sites have a load of waffle.

The developer's secret weapon has the working title ARB and is intended to help make the BMW 1 Series F40 the benchmark in its class. ARB stands for Actorn-related wheel slip limitation and describes in the finest developer Denglish a system that can basically be imagined as a particularly fast-working DSC. The trick is to relocate the slip regulator from the conventional DSC control unit to the engine management system, which is why many problems can be combated before they arise. The control systems constantly analyze how high the coefficient of friction of the ground is and therefore know very precisely which forces can be transmitted at the moment.

In this way, it can be defined in advance how much torque the motor may provide in the current situation. The information on the maximum wheel slip results in a maximum engine speed which, if exceeded, would inevitably lead to the wheels spinning. While conventional ESP systems only act in such a situation when the wheel has already spun and lost its grip, ARB prevents the wheel speed from being too high by limiting the engine speed in advance. The advantage: Because the situation is still completely under control at the moment of the intervention, much smaller interventions are sufficient for the desired stabilization - braking interventions perceived as patronizing are normally not necessary and the typical understeer due to a loss of traction on the front axle is not necessary
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[TW]Fox said:
I don't think it does does it? It has a version of the ZF8 with the torque converter removed.
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OK no torque convertor means less seemless changes.. hadn't realised that's out, maybe lockup lost too
jpaul said:
the zf literature had said they have transmissions which can be interfaced with an electric motor
and, I thought phev may, indeed, be incompatible with dct, could the electric motor take sudden torque change, if their drives are combined for the same wheels.
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edit: yes a g30 thread with some 330e dynos confirms what you said 465Nm
https://g20.bimmerpost.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1677345&page=2
 
jpaul said:
OK no torque convertor means less seemless changes.. hadn't realised that's out, maybe lockup lost too


edit: yes a g30 thread with some 330e dynos confirms what you said 465Nm
https://g20.bimmerpost.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1677345&page=2
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I would say that with the motor in place of the torque converter you really can't even tell the difference, it's every bit as smooth shifting as the conventional ZF8. It pulls away and creeps exactly like a converter.
 
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