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BMW and M Power Owners

Discussion in 'Motors' started by panthro, Apr 12, 2012.

  1. DRZ

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    I used BE bearings, but that's largely irrelevant as it was the main that went and not the rod bearings. Just a kick in the teeth that I did *everything* viable in terms of maintenance and I got unlucky :(

    @Gaygle, the pics you saw are indeed mine :(
     
  2. Simon

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    Firstly sorry to hear about the engine troubles. Always a bit of a worry with these M engines.

    However the bearing choice is not irrelevant. The BE bearings concern for me was always about the fact they had more clearance would mean there is more oil loss in the journal. A result of this could be main bearing starving. Especially on high revving engines when the oil is flung out.

    The S65 oil pump was specced for a 10W-60 and it’s clearances.

    I have many discussion on M3 cutters with people about the bearings and oil. And have never recommended bigger clearances due to the above. :(

    I’m on 55k now but don’t plan doing them until I hear a hint of rod knock on start up. At the moment it’s ok even after a week, timing chain tensioner is the noisy bit !
     
  3. DRZ

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    Jim Colley has posted extensively about the same things and his conclusions are the opposite due to the way the oil pump is designed. In any case, what's done is done :)
     
  4. StonedPenguin

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    Ahh man thats **** DRZ, sorry to hear that! It seems you can get a used engine fitted for around £5k from the bay, A bit of an unknown it is.. but its not £9k+ at least.

    I've taken my e92 from 40-65k over 2 years without a single issue but seriously considering an oem bearing replacement as I cant be sure how the car was treated in its first 40k before my ownership.

    edit: £4k fitted with 6 month warranty.. ebay item num: 303116670669
     
  5. DRZ

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    Those places are almost all scammers sadly - lots of horror stories and best avoided. A lot of those engines on ebay at £5k are on an exchange basis (so £5500+) and my engine is scrap thanks to the block and the amount of swarf generated getting into all the blind galleries and so on. The going rate for a decent used engine through "contacts" is £5k, plus I need a new oil cooler (to be sure there's no remaining swarf) and I'm going to service the rod bearings of the engine going in. Then the remaining cost is oil, filter and the cash I've already spent diagnosing the issue plus obv the labour of getting it fitted. The costs other than the engine itself do add up quickly.
     
  6. jamoor

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    Oh wow sounds terrible.

    A good warning to everyone not to bother with an M car these days, it's just not worth it. After owning an F10 M5, E39 M5 and an E92 M3. I'd never own another BMW never mind M car.
     
  7. Dis86

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  8. jamoor

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    They're old fashioned now using dated technology with no clear roadmap for the future.

    I'm also fairly sure that they won't last another 10 years. They are the Nokia of the car industry unless they manage to pull something spectacular in the next few years.

    Their cars have usually been with fault, some major. Rod bearings on my E39, luckily I can DIY. The F10 had a transmission fault or characteristic but I couldn't get it diagnosed or find another to drive at the local dealer to see if it was a fault or not. Essentially Tesla and potentially Chinese carmakers will finish BMW off.
     
  9. thewanted

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    If there was ever a time for popcorn.gif, this is it :D
     
  10. Robbo

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    Talk about being massively wrong. :p
     
  11. [TW]Fox

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    He's right, one look at the steering wheel in the new Model 3 tells you that Tesla are a serious car maker.
     
  12. jamoor

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    I'm very happen to be proven massively wrong in 7-8 years time. It's all here for everyone to see


    Come April there is no case for the 3 series in the UK market, which happens to be their best selling model over here. ask a company car driver if they want 330e for 100+£ a month in BIK or a TM3 and pay £0 and super cheap fuel. I know which people would pick.

    Oh and BMW also have a distribution model problem. They have a dealership network that they need to figure out what to do with if more direct to retail car makers show.up.
     
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  13. jamoor

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    You could say the same thing about the G20, no serious forward thinking automaker would launch that.
     
  14. Kenai

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    The one from the manufacturer with half a chance of actually building and supplying that sort of volume this side of 2025? :p

    €200b in assets and €7b in net income in 2018. They'd have to spectacularly balls up their business to be dead in 10 years.
     
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  15. AiiR

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    You have to be trolling at this point, the G20 is stunning inside and out. I saw one in blue few weeks back and was genuinely surprised that a 3 series could look that good.
     
  16. Jonnycoupe

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  17. shaank

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    Fitted a larger, 10.5" screen to the M4 - not an android unit, but a straight plug and play from an F15 X5. Modernises the interior a bit coming from the 8". This will likely be frowned upon here as it's a 'mod', despite this being ocuk and we should all be into 'modding tech' :D

    Pics here:
    https://www.instagram.com/shaank247
     
  18. jamoor

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    Remember Nokia and blackberry?

    As I said I'm happy to be proven wrong.

    VW and Mercedes are somewhat ok as they don't just sell cars and VW have their budget brands for which there isn't a clear way forward for electrification. But for premium cars which is the only thing BMW does? There's tons of competition coming, Volvo will be one to watch in the future alongside other Chinese companies. The Chinese already produce superior tech, think DJI and Huawei. No reason cars won't be the same.
     
  19. [TW]Fox

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    The point that people who love Tesla etc miss is that a car isn't tech, it contains tech. It's all very well having amazing tech but if the car itself is a pile of cheap junk with a steering wheel lifted from a pedal car then how sustainable is it really?

    If it was purely about the tech Japan would have killed the rest of the industry 30 years ago.

    It will be easier for a car firm to integrate tech than a tech firm to suddenly build a quality car.
     
  20. Chris1712

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    BMW are way behind though, it's very frustrating considering the i3/i8 came out like 6 years ago and they've done nothing since then.
    I have seen a LOT more Model 3s than I have G20s and I expect that to only go one way!