BMW and M Power Owners

Blackhawk47 · 8 Oct 2015 at 12:30

You won't be happy until a 6 series costs £10k. I find bizarre some people on this forum can't comprehend that cars cost money and your not going to get find a 2 year old BMW that originally cost like £60k+, for £20k.

[TW]Fox · 8 Oct 2015 at 12:34

They are 5 Series coupes effectively, despite the huge list price. This is reflected by the fact that they were available with as much as £20k off list for quite some time. So a car you could buy new for just over £40k you would expect, as it approaches 4 years old, would cost rather less than £30k not rather more.

It's a throwaway comment, nothing more. They are worth what people want to pay for them.

Blackhawk47 · 8 Oct 2015 at 12:42

[TW]Fox;28659113 said:
They are 5 Series coupes effectively, despite the huge list price. This is reflected by the fact that they were available with as much as £20k off list for quite some time. So a car you could buy new for just over £40k you would expect, as it approaches 4 years old, would cost rather less than £30k not rather more.

It's a throwaway comment, nothing more. They are worth what people want to pay for them.

The one Dr House linked is a 2013 model so only like 2 years old?

I think cars like this aren't going to depreciate as much as you seem to think. Just look at something like a 2008 R8 V8 coupe with 50k odd miles on the clock. They go for over £40k, and I really don't think they will be £20k anytime soon, unfortunately.

[TW]Fox · 8 Oct 2015 at 12:46

Blackhawk47 said:
The one Dr House linked is a 2013 model so only like 2 years old?

Exactly, hence my original comment:

they all cost £30-40k irrespective of age

I think cars like this aren't going to depreciate as much as you seem to think. Just look at something like a 2008 R8 V8 coupe with 50k odd miles on the clock. They go for over £40k, and I really don't think they will be £20k anytime soon, unfortunately.

It's not an Audi R8 though it's a diesel saloon car. It's an Audi A7 equivilent - what does a 2012 A7 cost?

Dr House · 8 Oct 2015 at 12:47

J1nxy said:
That car has next to no options, HUD and Surround view by the looks of things, everything else listed is standard on it.

If it had a couple more options I would be willing to think about this one. Its going to take some time but hopefully I will find the right spec.

I think they will hold value well over the next few years, if I find a good one for £35k I imagine its not going to drop more than 10k over the next 3 or 4 years which my dad will keep it.

I agree with fox, the prices are strange, a 2012 seems to cost only a little less than a 2014 car.

xs2man · 8 Oct 2015 at 12:48

Blackhawk47 said:
The one Dr House linked is a 2013 model so only like 2 years old?

I think cars like this aren't going to depreciate as much as you seem to think. Just look at something like a 2008 R8 V8 coupe with 50k odd miles on the clock. They go for over £40k, and I really don't think they will be £20k anytime soon, unfortunately.

But that's a completely different segment of the market for a start, and you are still talking depreciation of around 50% at your figures, over 7 years and £50k.

What Fox is saying is why, after 4 years, have the 6 series barely even depreciated by 25%.

Housey · 8 Oct 2015 at 12:52

[TW]Fox;28658985 said:
I don't get the prices of these, it seems they all cost £30-40k irrespective of age or spec. Why can't you buy an early 2012 pre LCI one for sensible money yet

Because they got this one right I think....and BMW bought most of the 2nd hand market so is able to control their value I suspect.

dsme · 8 Oct 2015 at 12:52

Just recently bought an E46 M3

Excuse the potato pics - I really need to invest in a decent camera!!

Hopefully getting coilovers for it soon and a set of APEX ARC 8 alloys or Enkei nt03s.

I love it, big difference from my previous E36 328i Sport - which was a lovely car and in incredible condition for it's age!

Really needs polished, lots of swirling in the paintwork

hopefully be doing that soon.

Housey · 8 Oct 2015 at 12:54

dsme said:
Hopefully getting coilovers for it soon .

Housey · 8 Oct 2015 at 12:59

dsme said:
Really needs polished, lots of swirling in the paintwork hopefully be doing that soon.

Carbon Black needs proper care but looks great when bought up to new. Great colour for the car I think. I had one just the same in 2002 from new, bloody great cars the E46 M3...but unless you are spending proper money on the suspension i'd really avoid cheap, harder, badly set up coil overs.

dsme · 8 Oct 2015 at 13:06

Housey said:
Carbon Black needs proper care but looks great when bought up to new. Great colour for the car I think. I had one just the same in 2002 from new, bloody great cars the E46 M3...but unless you are spending proper money on the suspension i'd really avoid cheap, harder, badly set up coil overs.

Yep - carbon black is truly amazing with the blue flake through it - unfortunately not quite as nice as estoril blue and most importantly techno violet. Yep I'm buying good coilovers, HSDs or BC coilovers which is what most cutters run and they both get good reviews.

Housey · 8 Oct 2015 at 13:08

dsme said:
Yep - carbon black is truly amazing with the blue flake through it - unfortunately not quite as nice as estoril blue and most importantly techno violet. Yep I'm buying good coilovers, HSDs or BC coilovers which is what most cutters run and they both get good reviews.

Im not a fan I'm afraid, but then I am old and don't like bumps. The car was well set up for road in standard form, I am not convinced coilers will improve that much if at all and as most tend to be set for lower ride and stiff ride tend to make it worse. If you plan to track it then ok, but KW's (if I remember correctly) were the go to brand back in the day, certainly on CSL's.

Atari · 8 Oct 2015 at 13:35

Most of the Cutters lot seem to chuck all the parts you'd want if you were tracking the car at their M3's, but only not for track use, just for pootling around the M25. Weird bunch

xs2man · 8 Oct 2015 at 13:58

Agreed with above statements. BMW's M division spent time and money developing the car. I know of many people who have ruined their M3's with coilovers. I just wouldn't bother. Unless you are serious about tracking it.

acemastr · 8 Oct 2015 at 14:15

Blackhawk47 said:
The one Dr House linked is a 2013 model so only like 2 years old?

I think cars like this aren't going to depreciate as much as you seem to think. Just look at something like a 2008 R8 V8 coupe with 50k odd miles on the clock. They go for over £40k, and I really don't think they will be £20k anytime soon, unfortunately.

You're an angry man lately.

Also, derp on the R8 reference

Vita · 8 Oct 2015 at 14:57

I regret buying a lowered car with coilovers. I should really raise but stance is lyfe.

I seem to be going through 1l of oil every 1k miles on 5w-30 castrol. I bought some shell helix ultra 5w-40 ll01 so I'm going to see if it helps lower it at the moment. Think I've topped 7l of oil in the 10k miles I've done.

Looked under the car today got some oil stains on the dump which seem old but no leaks from the rocker cover gasket or oil filter. Could possibly be ccv, going to check properly when I change the lines when I do the oil change.

Also bought the missing access cover flap to the sump.

J1nxy · 8 Oct 2015 at 14:57

[TW]Fox;28659113 said:
So a car you could buy new for just over £40k you would expect, as it approaches 4 years old, would cost rather less than £30k not rather more.

The M Sports have been occasionally just under 50K, I think i've heard of 1 maybe 2 going for that new, but most were early to mid 50s when the discounts were applied, still 20K off list and with the 0% finance deals thats worth quite a chunk of change as well.

Mine is nearly a year old already, 11K on the clock and is now going really well with no faults or issues for the last few months. Shame apple broke some of the integration with Connected drive again with their latest update...

Havana_UK · 8 Oct 2015 at 15:00

J1nxy said:
Shame apple broke some of the integration with Connected drive again with their latest update...

One of the many reasons I never do the IOS updates for a LONG time after they've released. What have they broken?

SS-89 · 8 Oct 2015 at 15:05

Havana_UK said:
One of the many reasons I never do the IOS updates for a LONG time after they've released. What have they broken?

I find the connection takes a while to establish on my M4...pretty annoying when I have to wait before setting off to avoid fiddling with the phone whilst driving.

J1nxy · 8 Oct 2015 at 15:14

Havana_UK said:
One of the many reasons I never do the IOS updates for a LONG time after they've released. What have they broken?

The sms integration has been broken in the 9.0.2 update...I've just switched back to IOS from Android so my 6S did an auto update pretty much straight out the box.

Oh and if you have an iPod touch don't put 9 on it at all as that is properly broken, won't even work as an iPod let alone using the connected drive apps like spotify.