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My 525D is a 2.0 twin turbo 4 cylinder and it's much smoother than my old V6 audi.

I knew Audi diesels were not amazing but I didn't realise they were that bad!

The 525d is a 520d with an additional turbo - this helps the power delivery but does nothing for the refinement that everyone is criticising therefore in that regard they are the same (They are, after all, the same engine aside from the turbocharger count).
 
Petrol.

Anyone that buys the 4 cylinder diesel BMW engines are just uneducated in my opinion. They are clunky, noisy and generally not smooth at all. If you're going for a diesel BMW, get 6 cylinder (which is 2.5ltr onwards if I'm correct?).

This is my opinion. But I feel strongly about it.

There is a lot of engine snobbery on here isn't there?

The x20d isn't a bad choice at all, assuming it's fit for purpose. It's one of the more powerful AND more economical 2.0 diesels out there. To say anyone who buys one is simply under-educated is, quite frankly, incredibly insulting to be honest.

For example, I could have easily made the case for getting a 520d. And, in fact, that is what I had originally specced up when I was in BMW looking to buy my current car. I easily do the mileage to justify it. But, I could also easily afford the 530d, so I went for that. Not everyone will be as lucky as to afford both the extra purchasing expense as well as the extra fuel and maintenance costs. In which case, the 520d makes for an excellent buy. Or the 320d, should that be all you need.

An example of difference in costs, is that my 530d cost me an extra £45 per month on a PCP than the 520d. This cost is basically the difference in depreciation between cars, so is a reasonable number to use regardless of finance arrangement. And at 20k per year (a figure often thrown around these parts as the minimum required to go for a diesel), it's around £42 per month extra to fuel the 530d. So that's almost £90 per month more for the 530d over the 520d, simply in depreciation and fuel (assuming new cars here). That is not nothing when tallying up monthly expenditure.

I don't think anyone would try to tell you that the 6 cylinder diesel is worse than the 4 cylinder diesel. But that is a long way away from claiming that anyone buying the 4 cylinder is uneducated.
 
Do people think the 535 is worth the premium over the 530?

Is the 535D simply more power through the bigger turbo's and the twin exhausts? Anything else the 535 has over a similarly specced 530D?

535 commands a significant premium as a AUC. I tried to negotiate with dealer - in London - to chop my 530D in for one but their offer was pathetic.
 
Do people think the 535 is worth the premium over the 530?

Is the 535D simply more power through the bigger turbo's and the twin exhausts? Anything else the 535 has over a similarly specced 530D?

535 commands a significant premium as a AUC. I tried to negotiate with dealer - in London - to chop my 530D in for one but their offer was pathetic.

F10?

I was looking recently (I got a 530 in the end) and I couldn't justify the extra money for the 535.
 
Do people think the 535 is worth the premium over the 530?

IMHO, no. Though there are some more reasonably priced ones appearing, but near 30 grand for 4-5 year old ones is insane.

Is the 535D simply more power through the bigger turbo's and the twin exhausts? Anything else the 535 has over a similarly specced 530D?

The 535d adds:

a) Extra turbo
b) Illuminated door sill strips on the SE
c) Extra exhuast

535 commands a significant premium as a AUC. I tried to negotiate with dealer - in London - to chop my 530D in for one but their offer was pathetic.

What sort of numbers did they come back with/What is your 530d? Be interesting to see how far off book they were offering for yours. If its the car at Sytner Sunningdale it doesn't look outrageously priced in the first place given its only a year old.
 
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FOX, they offered me £25k (£24k originally) for my highly specced 530D August 2013 (LCI) F11 Auto, Pro Nav with nine months left on the NCW and service pack still valid on 26000 miles. Immaculate. That will go on the forecourt for £28500 I bet.

They would only knock off £500 the forecourt price of £36000

So the delta for me to upgrade to a 11 month old 535D F11 was £10500. Not going to happen. I would do £9000 but i think £10500 is taking the Michael!

I told them to sod off. I'll wait until they get hungrier near xmas...
 
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Was it the one at Park Lane?

If so I'd agree with you that £9k or less is the 'correct' cost to change for that deal. They've offered you trade book on yours with the revised offer but the asking price of theirs is £1500 over with the £500 off.

To be honest to be £1500 apart on a deal like that makes me think you might hear from them at some point in the future as you are hardly miles off?
 
Yes that's the one FOX! You are a wise man....

It is a nice example I think with VDC. I told them to come back to me when they see some sense.... ( I am not holding my breath...

Wonder if it has the black panel display as well.....
 
It does have the black panel display, yes (It is standard anyway on MY15 onwards IIRC).

Infact other than the front lights and lack of LED's (Which 99.999999999% of LCI's are like sadly) it looks like a perfect spec - it's not mega totally loaded (Which is a bad thing as dealers cling to kitchen sink spec cars and ask stupid money for them even though loads of the stuff is pointless) but what it has got is very nice stuff.

Surround View particularly.
 
Thanks for your commentary FOX. They would not even throw in a service pack to try and sweeten it for me even at that £10500 delta. I know franchised BMW London dealers are renowned for lack of making a good deal; my colleagues at work with BMW's say likewise. As you say, they want to make a killing both on the one they take as part exchange and also the one they are selling on. Can't blame them for that but I think they are being greedy at both ends in my case.

It may hang around for a bit with it being near xmas and BMW year-end is at the end of December so let's see if they come back to me. If they don't then another will turn up I am sure.
 
The BMW AUC Service Inclusive isn't that great anyway (So probably not worth haggling for, take cash off instead) and I think that car is too old to buy the new-car version.

The cost to us buyers of AUC Service Inclusive on an F10 is £600 - the dealer will less but it's certainly not free for them to give out - and its hard to see you spending £600 on service on a 9000 mile 11 month old car over the next 2 years. It's going to need an oil service and thats about it.
 
There are indeed some nice GT's about. Real world people seem to really like them - both on the forums and people I know. Yet they get a pounding in the motoring press. The residuals are also not as strong as the F10 or F11.

I am open to idea of one if I am honest especially a 535 MSport GT.
 
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