Boeing 777 shot down

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MH17 is believed to have been shot down by ground to air missile near to the Ukraine/Russian border.
295 people on board, none believed to have survived.

If true

RIP to all onboard.

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/wor...shes-ukraine-russian-border-article-1.1870413

A Malaysia Airlines passenger plane was reportedly shot down in Ukraine near the Russian border Thursday.

The Boeing 777 had 280 passengers and 15 crew members, Interfax reported citing an an aviation industry source.

Anton Gerashenko, an adviser to Ukraine's Interior Minister, said on Facebook that the plane was flying at an altitude of 33,000 feet when it was hit by a missile fired from a Buk launcher.

It came down just 20 miles short of entering Russian airspace near the town of Shakhtyorsk, in an area where the Ukrainian government has been fighting pro-Russian rebels.


It "began to drop, afterwards it was found burning on the ground on Ukrainian territory," a unidentified source told Reuters.

Flight Aware shows the flight was heading from Amsterdam Airport Schiphol, the main international airport in the Netherlands, to Kuala Lumpur International Airport outside Kuala Lumpur, the most populous city of Malaysia.

The flight reportedly departed at 12:14 a.m. local time.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-28354856

 

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Sad sad news. This is what the world has come to.

Yep seems like the last 40years of slow progress has been undone.

 

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Indeed. That's too coincidental wouldn't you agree?

Tragic.

No, but I doubt they'll survive. Aren't they already in financial trouble after mh370

 

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And now the rebels are denying any involvement in the downing of the airliner (BBC have just reported).

Everyone will deny it, no one will want to admit to this. Almost certainly a mistake, and thought it was another plane.

 

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We should completely cut all ties with Russia, sanction them into the ground.

Impossible, as we rely on their energy, as does most of Europe etc. This is one of many reasons, we need energy security.

 

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Knee jerk reaction by Ukraine after their downed planes? Hit a passenger jet by mistake?

Why? It's in their air space, under their ATC, not to mention the separatists posting they shot something down in the area, which were quickly removed.
Obviously we don't know but it doesn't make any sense other than a separatist attack mistaking it as something else.

And agree **** is going to hit the fan, what the hell is USA going to do.

 

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That is a normal route to the Far East, done it many times, I bet there are planes over that air space every hour of the day at those altitude. The question is why and how this plane was targeted. Did it stand out from the plane that just went before it?

News just said that Ukraine have been using a llyushian 76(transport plane to supply troops) in the area, so maybe a miss identification.

 

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Does this mean we are going to hear an altered series of events seeing as they are being held as the most likely culprit and now have the black box. Surely they don't have the resources to properly work with that black box...

Do if it's sent to Russia.

 

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The only party with anything to gain from shooting down a civilian plane is the Ukrainians. That way they can go: "Look! Russia is giving the rebels heavy weaponry, stop them!"

R you know the group who admitted responsibility and said it was a military transport plane, which when it came out it was a passenger plane, they deleted their announcements. But nothing gets deleted fully from the net.

There really are some crazy people in here. Everything points to the separatists miss identifying and shooting down a passenger plane. So much so there really should only be two groups. One waiting for more info/investigation and those who think the simplest explanation is the right one, unless investigation shows something else.

 

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Apparently wreckage spread over 9 miles.

 

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Sorry if i', not thinking this through but how can they not know the nationalities of those on board? You need a passport to get on and that is your nationality. surely?

I noticed that no Americans are confirmed. That will open a whole other can of worms if Any were on board.

I was thinking this, and only thing I could think if, is if they hadn't managed to contact relatives yet.

 

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Wouldn't the missile have destroyed the entire aircraft in midflight in an instant especially with fuel on board? Seems like a lot of debris clustered close together, plus the video shows fireball explosion as it strikes the ground which suggests the main body of the plane was still intact.

No, this isn't Hollywood.
It very much depends where it hits, and the wreckage is supposedly spread over 9 miles.

 

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Really. So when Concorde erupted into flames on take off because a small section of rubber ricocheted off the fuel tanks that must have been Hollywood effect.

A supersonic missile detonating next to a fully fuel laden 777 has more than enough potential for destroying the aircraft in one go if not from a fuel explosion but explosive decompression tearing the air frame apart.

Is that what I said.
It depends where it "hits" missiles generally don't actually hit, they explode in close proximity and allow the shrapnel to damage structure/systems.

It in no way must explode like you said so
And since when did the concord explode in mid air anyway? It damaged the engine, set fire and crashed.

 

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What a poor family, having to go through it twice, in such a short space of time.

A woman who lost her brother and sister-in-law in the disappearance of Malaysia Airlines Flight 370 has discovered her stepdaughter was on the plane shot down over Ukraine.

 

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Lots of people care about what Israel does. There's several threads on it. However that has been going on for 60+years.
It is rare for a passenger plane shot down.
It's also hardly pure speculation.

You have separatists claiming it was them and they took a Ukraine transport plain down, when it came apparent it was a passenger plane, their claims where removed. Not that you can ever remove something from the net.
You then have the supposed communication intercept. Which also squarely puts it at separatists feets and also collaborates the claim, they thought it was a Ukraine transport plane.
You have US Intel saying it was a missile, but can't say which side at.

You have separatists blocking the parts of the site.
You have claims of sam being moved to Russia.

Although nothing proves it out right, that should be enough for any sane person to only have two options off opinions. Wait for more investigation, or think it was separatists who for what ever reason misidentified, unless investigation turns some other info up.

 

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Excellent, now we can file your posts under 'conspiracy' and continue with the thread. Nobody is going to be properly invading Russia at any point in our lifetimes, and certainly not to try and get oil.

Exactly, it's a totally stupid post.

 

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You don't get the point that people stop talking about it when things happen on a daily basis over multiple decades. Really, you really don't understand that.

And I'm not going to believe you who think this could be some plot to invade Russia for hydrocarbons, what an absolutely stupid thing to say, nice how you forgot about all the other points, which point to separatists.

 

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then you have probably become comfortably numb, congratulations on that

It's part of bring human, well done for not understanding basic biology. It's all well understood and researched..

 

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How does it absolve them, it's massive incompetence at best.

 

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Exactly....

The point is they didn't do it on purpose, which both the Ukraine and US appear to be stating.

You do realise that civilian planes take that route all the time, and that they are lit up like a Christmas tree.
Did they think the other passenger plane 25miles behind them was military as well?

It's a criminal act, which ever way you look at it.

And whos saying they did it on purpose? Got a link?