Boeing 777 shot down
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Exactly. They wouldn't.
The plan was to blame it on the Russians.
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Surely nobody actually thinks that? It seems fairly clear that there was no plan, it was a screw-up. Nobody would deliberately target a Malaysian airliner, it brought no benefit to any party and has only negative consequences.
or it was a mistake? or rebels supplied by the russians and not the russians directly or they thought they could pin it on the ukraine? there are plenty of other options apart from pretending Russian is somehow a victim here.
Great video and well presented.
If you wish to read the full report and have a bit of spare time on your hands
http://cdn.onderzoeksraad.nl/documents/report-mh17-crash-en.pdf
279 pages long.
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I mean all logic points to the idea that the rebels shot down the aircraft by accident in all honesty, I highly doubt it was a Russian crew since as mentioned above, those would be well trained enough to distinguish airliner from military.
There are 2 issues I am not clear on though... Why the hell did Ukraine not shut down air-space over Donbass knowing full well that rebels possessed at least Man-pad surface to air missiles.
The second issue is that, US and Russian satellites should have been able to detect the launch of the missile and yet we heard nothing about that. Especially the US who have apparently been pin-pointing the region to monitor Russian movements or whatever.
There are 2 issues I am not clear on though... Why the hell did Ukraine not shut down air-space over Donbass knowing full well that rebels possessed at least Man-pad surface to air missiles.
The second issue is that, US and Russian satellites should have been able to detect the launch of the missile and yet we heard nothing about that. Especially the US who have apparently been pin-pointing the region to monitor Russian movements or whatever.
You have to believe someone other than the separatists or Russians managed to sneak a BUK missile launcher into rebel territory. You can see here that the Dutch report calculates the missile launch point to be East of Torez which was rebel held territory at the time. The idea that Ukraine would just down a passenger jet willy-nilly hoping the world would place blame on Russia is absolutely ridiculous.
If the truth ever really emerges I'm sure the BUK missile launcher was simply on holiday.
Using what tech?
Cameras/IR wouldn't see it due to a few things -
A - You'd have to be zoomed right in to a very small area (a couple of football fields) to see it visually but then you'd need to be pointing at the right area or
B - You could be zoomed out to see a bigger area but you get no resolution to see a small truck sized object.
C - The missile itself is tiny to see visually or via IR
Alternatively a satellite based Radar can't see something as small as a missile at the distances involved either.
I've got many years of viewing ISR work and it's sadly not as amazing as hollywood would make you believe.
They did, up to the heights they knew the Rebels had equipment to fire at (and then some).
Unfortunately if you shut down such airspace fully you end up disrupting hundreds/thousands of flights a day, and typically you assume that anyone with a weapon capable of shooting down a civilian airliner at cruising heights also has the training to identify their target and not just fire at anything that moves (normally such training would be a fairly big part of training how to use the weapons, as you don't tend to want your anti aircraft batteries shooting down your own aircraft).
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Do you realize how childish this makes you look?
I am pretty sure Putin dumped into his pants once he got told that the airliner has been shot down in Donbass.
If not for some clever juggling and dancing around fire by him, NATO could`ve easily used this incident to bomb rebels to middle ages.
This incident had no benefits to Putin or Rebels what so over, only thing it had is to further vilify and risk being bombed by NATO or even UN sanctioned operation if Russia got so backed into corner that they wouldn't even veto to save their face on world arena.
In all honesty, I am still rather shocked US didnt grab this by the **** and bury Russia in the mud, they had every capability to do so.
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Thanks for clarifying about the air closure and missile detection.
Training that might be skipped over if you are in a hurry to use your new found toy. "We just need to learn to fire it!" Is something I'd imagin a bunch of rebels would be saying.
A large amount of the rebels were ex-USSR military and defectors from Ukraine's army in the east, so some would probably have had the training.
The funny thing is, that when the rebels first captured Buks the news reports said things like "These Soviet systems are noted for simplicity of operation, requiring minimum training of their crews. Do not be surprised if even an untrained volunteer can operate them successfully.", which obviously changed quite a bit after MH-17 lol.
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Well in the run up to MH-17 they were actively claiming that Russia itself was shooting down their planes, possibly with fighters, so they did have reason and they were known to have Buks in the area, but still it's pretty unlikely as it was them as their ATC was routing the plane at the time.
Money, they knew planes like MH-17 were at risk of being shot down if routed over the combat zone, they knew they would lose money by shutting down the airspace, they chose greed.
You mean like this picture I saved last year from the rebels twitter, after they captured a Ukrainian air defense base and it's Buks?
This is how they managed to start downing Ukrainian planes flying too high to be hit with MANPADS, strangely enough all this stuff disappeared after they shot down MH-17 lol.
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Have we blamed this on the Israelis or Thatcher yet?
Or the Rothschilds. It's only a matter of time.