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Bomb Iran?
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Firstly Japan does not have nuclear weapons, they are not allowed to build them, for obvious reasons after the second world war. The United States guarantees Japan’s protection, although they have quite an effective conventional armed forces as it is. Japan, however, is considered nuclear capable, like Germany, they have the technology and know how to be nuclear armed relatively quickly if they so wished.
And secondly I wouldn't say Mahmoud Ahmadinejad is much like Saddam at all, he's not a dictator in an obvious and conventional sense at all he is the 'elected' President of the Islamic Republic of Iran.
But this man has said, on the world stage, that he wants to see Israel "wiped off the face of the map"
He is a religious hardliner, known for human rights abuses and holding rather strong anti-semitic views. His legitimacy as president this time around is called into question as well, after the Iranian election earlier this year.
He is an outspoken critic of the United States and Israel and to be honest is down right threatening to Israel and the West, it's very much a case of, we don't know what he might do if given the means to do it. Perhaps what he says and what he would actually do are not quite the same, who knows, but it's quite a risk to take by allowing this man to have nuclear weapons at his disposal.
And finally, no, the rest of the world does not want Iran to posses nuclear weapons, Iran is not what we would consider a responsible member of the international community. They aren't exactly a rogue state either but they are more inline with that than the rest of the world. They are governed by hard-line Islamic values, by a man who has declared himself an enemy of the West and Israel.
The current Supreme Leader of Iran Ayatollah Ali Khamenei was a very close confidant of Ayatollah Ruhollah Khomeini who led the Iranian revolution of 1979 when the Shah was deposed and an Islamic fundamentalist regime under Khomeini was installed. He was also President of Iran himself from 1981 to 1989.
Khamenei quite regularly mentions 'his' and by extension as supreme leader, Iran as a state's opposition to the United States and to Israel.
The rest of it is fairly typical of what you might expect of an Islamic regime, oppression of women, segregation of the sexes in most situations, from buses to classrooms and sporting events etc. Islamisation of the educational establishment, Islamic values governing most aspect of day to day life.
The government is run like an Islamic clerical oligarchy more than anything else, as opposed to Saddam's extreme autocratic approach.
Iran and it's various leaders since 1979 have been considered enemies of the West and Israel. We do not know what their true motives are and I suspect we do not want to find out.
I hope it’s given you a slightly clearer picture of what’s going on anyway. Although I think I’ve given you more of a brief history of modern Iran than a political evaluation.
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Feel quite guilty in writing such a short reply, but thank you, that has actually explained it in brief but quite clearly.
Again, thanks.
G) Mind our own ****ing business and stop arbitrarily deciding which countries are *allowed* to have nuclear weapons and which ones aren't.
Quite frankly I don't understand why it's "ok" for the US, UK etc to have nuclear weapons, and other countries can't? Who are we to decide whether they can or not?
E. No one's going to bomb anything... I'm sure some folk will still be 'rattling sabres' three years from now in the same way they were three years ago.
Did he? Do you speak Iranian? Or are you relying on our biased media and Western governments to tell us what he actually said and the proper context. If you google it you will see there is a lot of controversy surrounding what he actually said and what he actually meant by it.
You might be willing to take the chance that their motives are pure and that they would do no harm, some people are not.
It's a lot more complicated with a lot more at stake than you seem to realise from what you have written.
A country like Iran, a self declared enemy of the West, cannot be allowed to posses the ability to nuke another country, the reasons are pretty self evident.
Do you want a load of religious fundamentalists to have that much power? ...I am not saying all the Iranian people necessarily feel that way, but then they aren't the ones running the country, a few angry, bitter and rather hostile old men are, for the most part.
You can’t mess around when nuclear weapons are involved, it is not something you can leave to chance, or gamble on. It is a very real and very, very serious threat to Israel first and foremost and then the West it’s self.
I am fairly sure that if Israel believes that it is in imminent danger, it will act first and then you can imagine the war we will all have to deal with. Something will happen, weather we want it to or not I think.
What would you say if I said that I do speak Iranian ? ....actually I don't, but I am aware of this controversy, it's a case of what you choose to believe in this regard, and given the mans track record, I choose to believe he did mean what the media has said he meant. He has not said otherwise at least.
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What do you not understand. The UK and US don't make wild statements that other states should be wiped off the face of the earth. To me it seems quite simple to understand
Perhaps we should ask ourselves why Iran is an enemy of the West, if indeed they are. Perhaps they don't like being bullied and threatened and having Britain and others directly interfere in their country as we have done several times over the years?
Would we like it if Iran kept interfering in Britain's affairs? No!
Why not? It has reportedly happened before in other countries.
http://www.encyclopedia.com/doc/1A1-D96QKM4G0.html
http://www.nowpublic.com/world/un-inspectors-examine-site-alleged-syrian-nuclear-facility
That's why I asked. I realise some Britons will do, perhaps you were one of them, but on the balance of probability, it was very doubtful. Thus fairly safe to assume you, like most of the rest of us, rely on others to translate and then tell us honestly what Iranians are saying when they speak in their native tongue.
How would we know? We only know what we are told!
Iran was an ally, we practically built their entire oil economy. Then a paranoid dictatorship took control and turned their backs on the west and any investment.
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Bomb Iran? No.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/8116245.stm
Interfering in other countries' internal affairs because of oil. Some things never change.
Maybe so, but it's too late to dredge up the past now, we have to act in the now and for the future.
And I am British, not Iranian, therfore I put my priorities and the good and security of my country and it's allies above those of Iran. Weather it seems 'right' and 'fair' or not is not the issue for me, it is, what it is and we must deal with it accordingly.
We could spend an awful long time discussing the morality of the situation that we have now. But that won't help anyone.
Ironically we would be more safe and secure if we stopped bullying other countries, telling them how to live, stealing their natural resources and making enemies of them.
How come? Who made them judge, jury, executioner and policeman of the world? I must have missed that meeting.
Oil, probably the one true resource that grants a nation the most power. Personally I'm all for it. If you don't agree then I think you're a hypocrit for sitting behind your nice little desk, on your expensive pc, eating your indulgent food and driving a nice modern car around wherever you like in this relatively rich nation.