Bomb Iran?

antijoke · 28 Sep 2009 at 12:41

The Mad Rapper said:
Or how about:

G) Mind our own ******* business and live and let live? Who the **** are we to dictate to anyone that they can or cannot have nuclear weapons?

The US can go **** itself too - arrogant *******!

* There, I feel so much better

Agreed!

Who are we to say they cannot use Nuclear power.

Indy500 · 28 Sep 2009 at 12:42

Stolly said:
The only "hard" part for the US military would be occupying the country but who says they *have* to do that ?

I'm not arrogant enough to believe a) that Iran should be attacked in the first place and b) that it would be a pushover.

The Mad Rapper · 28 Sep 2009 at 12:51

Jono8 said:
America and Europe have just as much right to try and stop Iran making nuclear weapons as Iran has to actually make them.

What hypocritical nonsense.

We have no right to stop anyone making them while we possess them ourselves.

What's good for the goose is good for the gander.

Jono8 · 28 Sep 2009 at 12:54

The Mad Rapper said:
What hypocritical nonsense.

We have no right to stop anyone making them while we possess them ourselves.

What's good for the goose is good for the gander.

No, no hypocrisy here, just politics..

We have every right to look after our countries best interests.

The same way Iran do.

Iran have every right to build nuclear weapons

but

We have every right to try and stop them if we can

it's very simple.

The Mad Rapper · 28 Sep 2009 at 12:54

Hitman_Leon said:
What is your personal view of jews?

That's a can of worms that should stay closed IMHO. Keep the thread on track.

The Mad Rapper · 28 Sep 2009 at 12:55

Jono8 said:
No, no hypocrisy here, just politics..

We have every right to look after our countries best interests.

The same way Iran do.

Iran have every right to build nuclear weapons

but

We have every right to try and stop them if we can

it's very simple.

Why should we stop them?

Jono8 · 28 Sep 2009 at 12:56

The Mad Rapper said:
Why should we stop them?

because it is in our 'best interests'

The Mad Rapper · 28 Sep 2009 at 12:57

Jono8 said:
because it is in our 'best interests'

Is it? Really?

Explain to me why that is the case.

dirtydog · 28 Sep 2009 at 12:58

Jono8 said:
because it is in our 'best interests'

Are you certain about that?

Jono8 · 28 Sep 2009 at 12:58

dirtydog said:
Are you certain about that?

notice the inverted commas... :rolleyes:

Look, If we want to try and stop Iran making nuclear facilities then we have every right to.

If Iran want to make nuclear weapons then they also have every right to.

there are no police, no judge or jury, we are talking about different countries with different interests.

Fenris · 28 Sep 2009 at 12:59

The Mad Rapper said:
Is it? Really?

Explain to me why that is the case.

Nuclear weapons? you know? can destroy entire cities and kill millions in seconds? ring any bells?

I think we have every right to not want other countries having them, it may seem hypocritical, but it's just the way the world works, basicaly we don't know if Iran can be trusted with them.

The Mad Rapper · 28 Sep 2009 at 12:59

Jono8 said:
notice the inverted commas...

Perhaps less sarcasm and more explanation of your point of view?

The Mad Rapper · 28 Sep 2009 at 13:01

Fenris said:
Nuclear weapons? you know? can destroy entire cities and kill millions in seconds? ring any bells?

Oh, I see.

Like the ones we have you mean?

Or the French?

Or the Russians?

Or the Koreans?

Or the Chinese?

Or the Americans?

Why assume that Iran will use them just because they possess them? They have every much a right to a deterrent as any other country.

The melodrama and ignorance in this thread is quite frankly shocking.

I think we have every right to not want other countries having them, it may seem hypocritical, but it's just the way the world works, basicaly we don't know if Iran can be trusted with them.[

I think you are wrong. I am not sure that anyone can be trusted with them.

Jono8 · 28 Sep 2009 at 13:02

The Mad Rapper said:
Oh, I see.

Like the ones we have you mean?

Or the French?

Or the Russians?

Or the Koreans?

Or the Chinese?

Or the Americans?

Why assume that Iran will use them just because they possess them? They have every much a right to a deterrent as any other country.

The melodrama and ignorance in this thread is quite frankly shocking.

you are correct, they do have every right to possess them

but then other countires have every right to object.

this is how the world works.

Fenris · 28 Sep 2009 at 13:04

The Mad Rapper said:
The melodrama and ignorance in this thread is quite frankly shocking.

People like you are equaly ignorant of the dangers of nuclear weapons and the reason countries are desuaded from developing them.

The less uclear weapons in the world the better, if it was my choice I would remove them all, but seeing as that isn't possible, we can at least try and stop every country on earth developing them. The problem is, a few cpuntries will always need to have them as a deterant, you can't avoid that.

The Mad Rapper · 28 Sep 2009 at 13:05

Fenris said:
People like you are equaly ignorant of the dangers of nuclear weapons and the reason countries are desuaded from developing them.

People like me? I have served 14 years in the military, I would argue I have a greater understanding of the issues than you will ever have.

You are clearly out of your depth in this debate, I'd call it a day now if I were you.

Fenris · 28 Sep 2009 at 13:06

The Mad Rapper said:
People like me? I have served 14 years in the military, I would argue I have a greater understanding of the issues than you will ever have.

You are clearly out of your depth in this debate, I'd call it a day now if I were you.

Oh get off your high hors before you choke from lack of oxygen. You can shout about ignorance, hypocricy and "your experience" till the cows come home, it doesn't make your argument automaticaly valid.

The Mad Rapper · 28 Sep 2009 at 13:08

Fenris said:
Oh get off your high hors before you choke from lack of oxygen.

*sigh*

I am not on a high horse, I've tried to educate you, as have others in this thread that understand the real issues.

There's nothing wrong with having a different view as long as you can argue effectively based upon reality.

dirtydog · 28 Sep 2009 at 13:08

Fenris said:
The problem is, a few cpuntries will always need to have them as a deterrent, you can't avoid that.

Wouldn't it be fully understandable and justifiable if Iran sought to have them as a deterrent?

It has seen its neighbour Iraq be invaded and occupied by US-led forces despite Iraq having no WMDs and despite Iraq allowing full access by UN weapons inspectors who found nothing.

The Mad Rapper · 28 Sep 2009 at 13:11

dirtydog said:
Wouldn't it be fully understandable and justifiable if Iran sought to have them as a deterrent?

It has seen its neighbour Iraq be invaded and occupied by US-led forces despite Iraq having no WMDs and despite Iraq allowing full access by UN weapons inspectors who found nothing.

My view is that either all countries are allowed to possess an effective deterrent, or no country should possess one.

Obviously the cost and technology would just be out of reach for many, but where it is achievable, then no-one should stand in their way.