Bomb Iran?

dirtydog said:
How come? Who made them judge, jury, executioner and policeman of the world? I must have missed that meeting.
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No, they are not policeman of the world, but they can damn well try to be if it is in their countries best interests...

America and Europe have just as much right to try and stop Iran making nuclear weapons as Iran has to actually make them.
 
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Captain Planet said:
Oil, probably the one true resource that grants a nation the most power. Personally I'm all for it. If you don't agree then I think you're a hypocrit for sitting behind your nice little desk, on your expensive pc, eating your indulgent food and driving a nice modern car around wherever you like in this relatively rich nation.
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There is no hypocrisy from me. I think nations with oil should be permitted to sell it on the international markets to benefit themselves, and indeed in the currency of their choosing, not necessarily the dollar.
 
dirtydog said:
Ironically we would be more safe and secure if we stopped bullying other countries, telling them how to live, stealing their natural resources and making enemies of them.
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Let me ask you this then, in a hostile world, where everyone wants a piece of the pie, who's flag would you rather see flying at the top? ...and whos values and ideas would you rather live with and by? ...would you prefer Great Britain and the United States of America and our allies to be the arbiters of all or would you rather the Islamic Republic of Iran do it instead?

We may bemoan our government, and our freedoms or lack of, and tarnished democracy etc ...but we have a whole hell of a lot more now than we would if Iran were deciding the fate of the world.

The fact we are discussing this now for instance is by virtue of the freedoms we do enjoy right now.

Sometimes you just have to fight for your way of life above others, sometimes the world just isn't big enough. I'm not saying I don't wish we could all live in a world where we could 'live and let live' and respect each-other for our differences as much as our similarities etc. But we do not live in that world and if we don't deal with the one we do live in, we will perish.
 
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Moeks said:
Let me ask you this then, in a hostile world, where everyone wants a piece of the pie, who's flag would you rather see flying at the top? ...and whos values and ideas would you rather live with and by? ...would you prefer Great Britain and the United States of America and our allies to be the arbiters of all or would you rather the Islamic Republic of Iran do it instead?

We may bemoan our government, and our freedoms or lack of, and tarnished democracy etc ...but we have a whole hell of a lot more now than we would if Iran were deciding the fate of the world.

The fact we are discussing this now for instance is by virtue of the freedoms we do enjoy right now.
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I don't accept that those are the two choices. I would rather we work with countries like Iran and have them as our friends and allies, like indeed we have done with Libya. In short we should stop having an Israeli-driven foreign policy.
 
dirtydog said:
I don't accept that those are the two choices. I would rather we work with countries like Iran and have them as our friends and allies, like indeed we have done with Libya. In short we should stop having an Israeli-driven foreign policy.
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I wouldn't exactly describe Libya in those terms, but that's an entirely different discussion.

Ultimately foreign policies are always self-serving, they can't really be any other way, at least not when the other guy has a self-serving foreign policy as well.

These things tend to go round and round and round, eventually something will break the cycle, and things will change. But for the time being, I think we're better of maintaining our position on the stronger side of the status quo and not allowing the other party to make any changes that will hand the advantage to them.

It’s like a giant game of chess, only with real lives and people at stake.
 
Captain Planet said:
Iran was an ally, we practically built their entire oil economy. Then a paranoid dictatorship took control and turned their backs on the west and any investment.
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Iran was a propped up monarchy/dictatorship, propped up for one reason, oil, Iraq was the same, Saddam was propped up by USA and was an 'approved' dictator for the sake of oil and his penchant for being hostile to Iran, his house boy permit went out of the window when he decided to invade Kuwait.
 
I don't see why our interests and Iran's interests can't coincide. Neither of us wants to engage in military action with the other. Iran has oil, we need it, they aren't refusing to sell it so where's the problem there either.

I am all for foreign policy which truly serves our interests, but threatening other countries, organising coups which deposes legitimate elected leaders, invading other countries etc. rarely if ever does truly serve our interests in the long run. I suggest that our policy towards Iran is driven by a desire to please Israel, a country which is no friend of Britain and whose interests do not coincide with ours.
 
dirtydog said:
I don't see why our interests and Iran's interests can't coincide. Neither of us wants to engage in military action with the other. Iran has oil, we need it, they aren't refusing to sell it so where's the problem there either.

I am all for foreign policy which truly serves our interests, but threatening other countries, organising coups which deposes legitimate elected leaders, invading other countries etc. rarely if ever does truly serve our interests in the long run. I suggest that our policy towards Iran is driven by a desire to please Israel, a country which is no friend of Britain and whose interests do not coincide with ours.
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I agree 100%

Perhaps we ought to act in the best interests of the UK, rather than in the best interests of the US.
 
The Mad Rapper said:
I agree 100%

Perhaps we ought to act in the best interests of the UK, rather than in the best interests of the US.
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Our interests are quite heavily tied into the interests of the United States though now, how it came to be this way, is again, another discussion entirely, but the fact is, we are quite closely linked now.
 
if your deeply held beliefs are that you will move onto paradise after your death and taking a few of your enemies with you then you would not worry about using atomic weapons

thats the difference between and religious fundamentalist regime and a democratically elected one

the iranian leadership wouldnt care if they killed millions and their country was destroyed as they firmly believe they are doing the right thing..their whole belief system supports this

in the west it would only be a last resort as it would assure mutual destruction

the religious fundamentalist would think he would be rewarded by bringing an atomic war to the middle east and thats why they shouldnt be allowed to have them as using them no longer becomes a logical issue it becomes a belief issue
 
Moeks said:
Our interests are quite heavily tied into the interests of the United States though now, how it came to be this way, is again, another discussion entirely, but the fact is, we are quite closely linked now.
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Unfortunately for both ourselves and the US, US foreign policy is heavily influenced by the powerful Jewish lobby there, which I argue puts Israel's interests ahead of those of the US, and therefore by extension the UK, who always seem pathetically eager to please the US like a dog wishes to please its master.
 
i just spoke to Cleverbot from the other thread. he had this to say on the matter:


User: Bomb iran?

Cleverbot: You're funny.

User: I'm serious. Should we bomb iran?

Cleverbot: Yeah. Probably.
 
dirtydog said:
Unfortunately for both ourselves and the US, US foreign policy is heavily influenced by the powerful Jewish lobby there, which I argue puts Israel's interests ahead of those of the US, and therefore by extension the UK, who always seem pathetically eager to please the US like a dog wishes to please its master.
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I liked the way you put that:D...wow first time ive agreed with you on something...actually a lot of your posts in this thread i have nodded my head in agreement...glad to see that we both at least agree on America and UK keeping their dirty noses out of Irans business.
 
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