Boris's intensive care nurse
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It's not just a question of throwing more money at the NHS. It already has many highly paid executives at each Trust and other NHS orgs who are actually meant to be responsible for running the service.
There would have been far more going to food banks if we'd had a tougher lock down to save direct Covid deaths. It's a question of steering risk through a measured middle route to also balance the damage to the economy and people's jobs.
Labour differing with committee meetings would not have resulted in a more timely response to getting ventilators. Nor would it have resulted in quicker advice on social distancing.
Basically labour just criticize anything the government does after the event and show no leadership or original thinking at all.
I suppose the point of the thread is really that I'm sick of hearing the whinging from the bbc and opposition when every vote we have shows the public think the opposite. They all need to show some humility and admit they are barking up the wrong tree or at the very least out of touch.
Just as a footnote, unison actually negotiated a worse pay structure than they already had during the previous agreement. Unison recommended a pay structure that ensured middle managers carried on getting nice pay rises while those on the lower grades lost most of the annual increases they got as a matter of course.
So previously the NHS staff got the annual pay increase plus an uplift through the band of their grade, this lasted for several years.
Its my human right to spell any words the way I like and I identify as gender neutral correct spelling objecttorrer so please use my correct title or I'll tell on you.
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You're looking in the wrong place then! Labour have backed the sensible measures from the Government, but that won't generate significant news coverage.
Remind me again, which party repeatedly kept refusing to provide meals to children during school holidays, increasing demand on the already stretched food banks?
It's unforgivable. They claim they can't afford to feed children in poverty, while giving their mates highly profitable PPE deals.
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While I feel this thread is descending into an off topic slagging I t match and won't be around for much longer here's my feelings:
She's entitled to work anywhere in the world she chooses if she can legally find employment in that country.
She's entitled to say what she likes about her reasons for moving. That's the free speech that those who feel cancel culture is a thing are so keen to protect.
The press are entitled to report it in anyway they like so long as they don't lie. That's free press.
You are entitled to think she's right or wrong; others are entitled to disagree.
Ultimately I think it's not hard to imagine that the current wage package for nurses, the proposed 1% payrise, the demands placed on staff (particularly those working in ITU as this lady does/did) has made her look for what she perceives to be a better deal. She has found a deal more to her liking and accepted it - isn't this now free market is supposed to work?
I accept she might have personal reasons for relocating and that those personal reasons may have played a significant part in her decision but that does not mean she's unique in considering deals found elsewhere to be better than that offered by the NHS.
The issue her leaving highlights should perhaps focus on the broader question of whether the package offered by the NHS is attractive enough to draw in new staff and retain existing staff on the scale necessary for it to function. If it is then good bye and good luck, thank you for your contribution and carry on as normal. If not, well then that's going to be a much bigger problem for the institution as a whole isn't it? A much bigger issue than the loss of retention of one individual member of staff.
She's entitled to work anywhere in the world she chooses if she can legally find employment in that country.
She's entitled to say what she likes about her reasons for moving. That's the free speech that those who feel cancel culture is a thing are so keen to protect.
The press are entitled to report it in anyway they like so long as they don't lie. That's free press.
You are entitled to think she's right or wrong; others are entitled to disagree.
Ultimately I think it's not hard to imagine that the current wage package for nurses, the proposed 1% payrise, the demands placed on staff (particularly those working in ITU as this lady does/did) has made her look for what she perceives to be a better deal. She has found a deal more to her liking and accepted it - isn't this now free market is supposed to work?
I accept she might have personal reasons for relocating and that those personal reasons may have played a significant part in her decision but that does not mean she's unique in considering deals found elsewhere to be better than that offered by the NHS.
The issue her leaving highlights should perhaps focus on the broader question of whether the package offered by the NHS is attractive enough to draw in new staff and retain existing staff on the scale necessary for it to function. If it is then good bye and good luck, thank you for your contribution and carry on as normal. If not, well then that's going to be a much bigger problem for the institution as a whole isn't it? A much bigger issue than the loss of retention of one individual member of staff.
Well put.
That's the galling bit really isn't it? It would be easy, and great PR, for the MPs to reject their pay rise or donate it to charity (some already do) but you can guarantee the majority (all?) of the Conservative MPs will happily take it whilst saying that nurses don't deserve anymore.
Scotland has offered 4%, which has been rejected. Maybe the English ones can come work up here...
What is the right amount?
When I read the first story this year about nurses been underpaid, i checked what they get paid and expected it to be under 20k somewhere. But their salaries are actually quite high now compared to historical levels. The problem with just giving everyone what they want is then you have to make cuts elsewhere to pay for it, so give all nurses 5k a year pay rise but at the same time close 5% of wards, and get rid of all porters to pay for it.
This is the mistake Labour made, they poured money into the NHS but most of it went on improving contracts, now we have doctors been paid £100+ an hour to cover a&e, GP's who wont work out of hours.
If the NHS is under capacity which it is hugely, the capacity problems has to be a priority over increasing salaries.
I think there should be a temporary danger money element when treating covid patients though.
Im not sure 25k is that high tbh.
I think it is, 15k is low not 25k.
I would support them getting increases that % rise match living wage increases that ensures they keep their distance ahead of that. But something like a 10% increase with the current economical situation and NHS capacity problems is ridiculous. A 5k rise would be 20%. I dont even know what they expecting but rejecting 4% doesnt put them in a good light.
Also check what the average carer earns it might put things into perspective.
25k is pathetic, how can you attract decent staff with such a low salary?
They have an "independent" pay body who can conveniently force them to take it. They also always give MPs rises but reject everyone elses.
I can assure you that the average hourly wage for doctors on a permanent contract isn't £100/h. It ain't even a quarter of that.
Exactly. This isn’t something to blame the nurse on. It’s our ******* cheap assed govt that decided we are going to pay our nurses a pittance.
Good luck to her.
I assume he means locum work hence the word "cover".
Even as a registrar it's nowhere near that.