Bought an old BMW M3, filled with regret...

Surely the thing to do here is enquire on BMW / M specific forums / usergroups as to who are the places that do a fine job and use the one of best reput

I did and various people recommended the usual specialists and tuners who rebuild and swap engines on these cars. Pricing wise they're all close together. It was a toss up betwen Evolve and Redish. Evolve have worked on my car before but I like the comprehensive nature of Redish so opted for them.

The thing is the cheaper options at £2650 may be equally as risky. They supply an engine, I don't know if that engine has any history, they say they use OEM bearings and parts but the total price doesn't reflect that or are they not charging labour?

Too many questions. 4800 is a lot for a used engine, but I've seen it running and it is low mileage too but yes it is still a gamble, just a safer gamble than a complete unknown at a price that is seemingly too good to be true. There were cheaper engines available for 1k less money, but they were higher mileage examples and didn't have the history and paperwork to back them up.

An engine rebuild would have also come to around the same total price if not a bit more after speaking to a few specialists who could do that option.
 
Yup rebuild is more labour time intensive, plus a new crank shaft and full engine flush to get all the metal and copper out of every nook etc. Mine basically suffered worst case scenario sadly.

@badgeruk I actually forgot about ETA! They do my siubframe checks every now and then when I know I'm around the area.
 
Those IS-Fs are really nice, love the 5l V8 sound too. They're still rather expensive though having had a quick browse on autotrader! ONly 8 for sale with the cheapest being £13k with the rest up to 30!
 
Car left for Redish today. I used Autohaul (came up on Gumtree via Google search). Dan runs the business and really cool guy. Loads the car up clean and tidy etc, covers the wheels before securing them. Recommended!

The engine will arrive Thursday, the seller is hand delivering it as he doesn't trust pallet companies to be careful enough.

Redish's job list came through as well:

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The oil service was due anyway, and will end up being free as new oil needs to go in as part of the job which is handy. VANOS diagnostic will also be done once the new engine is in.

I'm also getting them to look at my PDC loom as there's a break, scraping noise around the rear driver side wheel backplate area and a brake fluid change due too so getting that done as listed.

Lastly, a new clutch since the engine is out as an additional extra.
 
If it's a different model/capacity engine, you need to notify them and your insurance. Since it's the same engine from the same model year, nothing changes.

Mileage is tied to the VIN not the engine too, so swap away is what I was told as long as it's the same engine. I did try searching for details online but everything points to engine swaps with different engines, not like for like.

Unless anyone knows different!
 
Already on it!

Speaking of video, arrival video up:


The light scratches on the arches were unknown to me as the car hasn't been washed in a month and I was in London 2 weekends ago so could have happened at any time. The sill scratch looks recent though but that should go away with some crunchy nut peanut butter application. The two on the arches will require some T-cut perhaps.

The alloys refurbs have already been booked in at FA Wheels so not concerned about those.
 
Maybe it's in combination with the recent weather, but the last week or two have been a smidge depressing lol. The initial thought that I might end up breaking the car for parts etc were filled with a feeling of dread.

But now that the threshold has been crossed and it's being fixed, it's been a refreshing few days. And knowing it's going to be back on the road and from that point onwards for the next 100k+ miles it's going to be absent of this kind of issue happening again is a big peace of mind.

On the upshot, this has resulted in greatly reduced labour rates on other jobs being done at the same time like the clutch and flywheel, bearing shell upgrades, free oil service and stuff.

With the roof up or down, soon as that induction burble starts at 2500-3000rpm even just driving around town normally, everything is right with the world, and everyone inside the car has a smile :)


I'm a bit late to the party, but good lord I can't believe this has happened to yours mrk..

I only thought this was a real issue with abused or run on a shoe string examples (which many are now)..

From everything I've seen on here its got to be one of the most cherished and pampered M3's in existence. Judging by how immaculate you keep it, I'm in no doubt you'll have been very sympathetic to that engine, ensuring its fully up to temp every time you enjoy it.

I can't recall what mileage you bought the car on but I think the odo said currently 114k in the vid, so I imagine you have put half or more of the miles on this engine yourself?

You say you've stuck to BMWs service interval, so is that 10 or 15k oil changes with castrol 10w60?
If this is the case, it just goes to show you how wrong BMW got it with this.. and people aren't just scaremongering after all..

You've been through a lot with this car to get it to and keep it at the level it is, I am not surprised you want to hang on to it. But that is an eye-watering unexpected cost..

You do get what you pay for in the end though, so if its still a keeper, good on you. Redish will probably get it turned around in no time with full peace of mind.

Mine is on around 112k now and had the full Mr Vanos treatment a while back (new rod bearings, rebuilt top end, new headgasket, vanos refresh, service). It came to £2345 and the bearings which came out looked to have some signs of wear, but not bad at all when compared to many i've seen photographed, the guy said he was 50/50 on whether they'd been replaced before. Mine's an 02/03 car, no paperwork or evidence of the recall or any previous replacement, and the inside of the engine was a bit gummed up too (according to Mr Vanos, an issue with castrol and why he only uses shell).

So many mixed opinions on these bearings, my standpoint is that they are a 100k service part and oil needs replacing every 5k or annually.

I look forward to seeing the updates on your new engine. I've got my fingers crossed for you that it all goes to plan.


Whilst I've been mechanically sympathetic, I can't vouch for its previous owners. I am owner number 5 :eek: but the overall condition of the car when I bought it at 62k miles (now on 114k) was really quite good so I had no reason to suspect anything else at the time. I also didn't learn of the rod bearing issues all of these are prone to until more recently so there is that. What people and tuners say is correct, an engine so highly strung needs stronger components. The engine isn't the only place BMW fell short on with the E46 M3 though, the brakes as we all know are rubbish after a few heavy stops on a spirited drive. Uprated pads and fluid with some stainless steel braided hoses make a world of difference. But even still, single piston calipers up front to stop a 1730KG car is just too small.

Regarding oil, each time the cluster said an oil service or inspection 1/2 was due, I booked it in. Each reset as you know starts at 15k miles ETA but drops based on the driving conditions, so some of those intervals have been 10k, some have been 12k between changes. I just went with what the OBC asked for. I've always used Castrol Edge 10w60. When I first heard about bearing issues I thought maybe it was scaremongering to a small extent. But the issue is definitely real as Gibbo pointed out before. Evolve's video highlighted the issue perfectly. The tolerance gap is very small. BMW's original shells were a weak point for such an engine, they revised them in later models, and later better engineered aftermarket ones like the ones from King Racing came out that didn't cost much more than BMW's ones. As others have mentioned, the only way to know if bearings are on their way is to regularly send oil samples away to a lab to test for metal/copper content and track how much increase there is in each result.

The King Racing shells came to £140 for all 12. I looked them up and they come highly rated. Whilst the OEM ones might last 100k miles, the King ones are more robust and engineered using modern materials and technologies for a similar price difference, so it's a no-brainer really.

I will also be changing the oil every 5k miles (or once a year) myself from here on, and let the indy do the inspection services.

The last 4 years have been costly to maintain this car. Sprouts of bad luck have attributed to a lot of that cost, but it's also been a huge learning experience and knowing what is what with E46 M3 ownership now. Had I known the trials I would go through, then I'd have been put off and bought something Japanese. Putting lots of miles on one of these demands digging into the pockets for sure!

But having actually gone through all this now, I can't imagine going through it with anything else as I'd have been annoyed to the point of just breaking it for parts lol. To me the S54<>E46 combo is special enough to make it just about OK in the long run.
 
An E46 M3 don't weigh 1730kg, surely even convertible is not that heavy is it? Or is that weight with fuel and yourself in it as I think I remember coupe weighing in at 1565kg, I've got mine down to 1325kg now.

On the V5 it says 1730KG which appears to be loaded so perhaps yeah that is with fuel and driver!
 
Update.

Redish are currently replacing the bearing bits on the new engine. They've sent a video of what they've found and have opted for the BMW bearing shells and bolts with an explanation as to why instead of using the King bearings.

Check it out.


I'm fine with their decision, it's a shame the clearance on the King bearings is so large though, but always best to be safe.

@Gibbo what clearance values did yours come to using those bearings?
 
Old bearings at 66k on donor engine now out and clearance reports all sent through. At 66k miles it's amazing how worn they were. Coincides with BMW's later statement that they should be changed at 80k miles when they finally acknowledged they should be considered a service item.

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It's more ammo when buying one of these really. If there's no record of rod bearings being done with clearance reports then that's an instant £1500 minimum to be slashed off the asking price, no ifs for buts.
 
I've asked them, but main (little end) bearings aren't prone to failure as there's no wear under normal conditions. The conrod (big end) bearing shells are designed to wear but once the material starts to be worn through, debris starts to damage the crank journal because of the reduced clearance, or old thick oil etc. If the tabs on the shells wear or the shells bend, then they will spin causing major damage leading to needing a new crankshaft and the rest of the kit, or a new (used) engine with new shells and bolts fitted.

Even more reason why the connecting rod bearings should have an interval to change in the service book from day 1!

This has all been a big learning experience. Worthwhile, if a bit expensive...
 
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Is that including the oil and stuff? Seems a fair price really! Check to see if they also take the clearance measurements before and after the bearing shells have been changed.
 
I've booked my wheel refurbs for next weekend too so in a similar position. Once the engine is sorted, everything else is has been recently seen to anyway so the whole car will be in one really good state of health. Probably one of the healthiest and well documented examples on the road even!
 
Did Mr Vanos record the measurements? I never knew of the measurements part until Redish mentioned it. Apparently most people don't do it but I guess what he says is true, that the tolerances should be recorded because you don't want too small or too big a gap fr the oil.
 
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