Brazilian Grand Prix 2010, Interlagos Circuit - Race 18/19

Cavallino · 7 Nov 2010 at 18:05

AcidHell2 said:
WDC is the glamour and loads of money from sponsor. RBR if they can will use Team orders to get it.
Everyone remembers the WDC not the WCC

I know! You earlier said that Webber is the better driver! In response to your comment I disagreed with what you said (at this stage of the season) and stated that at Dubai Vettel will come out on top (on track) between him and his team mate!

But Id love to see how they will do the switch. Because it still constitutes team orders which they strictly we're against.

Fr0dders · 7 Nov 2010 at 18:05

Hamilton to come 1st and a surprise tactical ICBM strike to take out Webber Alonso and Vettel ?

Glaucus · 7 Nov 2010 at 18:06

Cavallino said:
Sheesh I know! You earlier said that Webber is the better driver! In response to your comment I disagreed with what you said (at this stage of the season) and stated that at Dubai Vettel will come out on top (on track) between him and his team mate!

But Id love to see how they will do the switch. Because it still constitutes team orders which they strictly we're against.

Webber has more points over the season, hence done a better job.

Precedence is set. £100k fine and nothing else.

jaybee · 7 Nov 2010 at 18:07

Can someone explain to me why the cars would not get out of the way after the safety car restart? They would in a normal race but not after safety car restart? What!?

Cavallino · 7 Nov 2010 at 18:08

AcidHell2 said:
Webber has more points over the season, hence done a better job.

Precedence is set. £100k fine and nothing else.

Once again, as I said! I stated "at this stage of the season."
If you look at the results over the past 5 races, this is fact.

Glaucus · 7 Nov 2010 at 18:08

jaybee said:
Can someone explain to me why the cars would not get out of the way after the safety car restart? They would in a normal race but not after safety car restart? What!?

They were all fighting for position and extremely bunched up, some of the drivers tried to use it as an advantage or to not slip down the field. Also in a situation like that it's hard to know who is behind you and you have no idea who the blue lights are referring to. As there's about 10 cars in view of the lights and flags.

Glaucus · 7 Nov 2010 at 18:09

Cavallino said:
Once again, as I said! I stated "at this stage of the season."
If you look at the results over the past 5 races, this is fact.

And as I said makes no difference over the season, is all that counts.
Vettle is pretty much out of the running, rbr will do anything they can to secure the WDC

ThorpedoUK · 7 Nov 2010 at 18:13

lol "the drivers will do whatever it takes to ensure the best result for the team"

Cavallino · 7 Nov 2010 at 18:13

AcidHell2 said:
And as I said makes no difference over the season, is all that counts.
Vettle is pretty much out of the running, rbr will do anything they can to secure the WDC

The culmination is a 7 point difference over the entire season with Vettel having more wins than Webber and certainly heluvalot more car failures than Webber, add to that the momentum that Vettel has over the past 5 races and you have to fancy Vettel over Webber any time, any day.

Kenai · 7 Nov 2010 at 18:14

AcidHell2 said:
Precedence is set. £100k fine and nothing else.

Whilst it's nice to think like that, the FIA is not a court of law and on past performance, it wouldn't be surprising for them to treat two identical acts completely differently.

sunama · 7 Nov 2010 at 18:14

Muban said:
I'll have Alonso instead. I'd hate to see either Vettel or Webber take it, good solid drivers but not greats (imo of course). I'd rather see a great driver win the WDC.

And that is exactly the reason why I would want to see Alonso win the title.

Too often, mediocrity is rewarded...something which I detest.

IMO, Alonso has been the driver of the season and for this reason, I would much rather see Alonso win, than Webber or Vettel.

Vettel has been very very fast, but has suffered terrible luck. If anybody should come second it should be him. Webber is an average driver who has had very good luck throughout the season. It is this great luck which has allowed him to stay near the top of the WDC. Had Vettel not suffered so many car failures, he would've won the title by now. In fact, had Vettel's car not broken down 2 weeks ago, he would've been leading the title race today.

Webber is nothing more than Vettel's whipping boy and whipping boys should not be WDCs. If Webber wins the title, his name will not sit well amongst the likes of Alonso, Hamilton, MSc, Senna, Prost, Mansell, etc. Webber just doesn't belong with these big names.

Cavallino · 7 Nov 2010 at 18:14

AcidHell2 said:
And as I said makes no difference over the season, is all that counts.
Vettle is pretty much out of the running, rbr will do anything they can to secure the WDC

I'll ask Again

Url please?

Cause I dont think Vettel is going to yield over for his team mate somehow even if he has said it directly or indirectly to the press.

SPARC · 7 Nov 2010 at 18:14

Brilliant race, well done to Red Bull. Surely now Mark Webber will be champion in a weeks time.

The build up to this race was good as well, really enjoyed the part right before the race started with Eddie doing the voice over.

Glaucus · 7 Nov 2010 at 18:17

Sebastian Vettel wins in Brazil to keep title race alive
Sebastian Vettel led Mark Webber to a Red Bull one-two in the Brazilian Grand Prix to take the world title fight to the final race of the season.

Glaucus · 7 Nov 2010 at 18:18

Cavallino said:
and certainly heluvalot more car failures than Webber, .

Which again means nothing, those extra few revs, pushing that little bit harder when not needed etc. the results are the results.
Barring an amazing race next week (which is always possible) vettle has little chance and as Horner just said they will do what ever is needed to take WDC

hiroofheroes · 7 Nov 2010 at 18:19

We just need Alonso and Webber to take each other out next week - and have Hamilton and Vettel fighting for first.

And of course Button would need to 'get past' Vettel at all costs.

Valentino · 7 Nov 2010 at 18:24

What if Vettel is stubborn, comes in 1st, webber in 2nd and Alonso in 5th? They all finish on 256 points!

Glaucus · 7 Nov 2010 at 18:25

Valentino said:
What if Vettel is stubborn, comes in 1st, webber in 2nd and Alonso in 5th? They all finish on 256 points!

Alonso for most wins, i think.

if they have won the same amount, it goes down to number of second places, if those are the same number of third places, so on until there's a difference.

Cavallino · 7 Nov 2010 at 18:27

AcidHell2 said:
Which again means nothing, those extra few revs, pushing that little bit harder when not needed etc. the results are the results.

Oh "what if" games mean nothing absolutely, and the results are the results.
But in terms of on track racing speed and ability, Vettel is marginally faster than Webber.

And another statistic for you, head to head finishes.

SV has finished 11 times ahead of Webber and 7 times vice versa
SV has qualified 11 times ahead of Webber and 7 times vice versa

More interesting tidbits here: http://www.vivaf1.com/performance.php

Barring an amazing race next week (which is always possible) vettle has little chance and as Horner just said they will do what ever is needed to take WDC

This seems to be an argument with yourself as I am not discussing whether Vettel can take it at the next GP.

My argument is what will happen if RB find themselves P1. Vettel , P2. Webber, with Alonso P5 or better.

You say RB/Seb will switch, I say, link please

?

Glaucus · 7 Nov 2010 at 18:29

Cavallino said:
You say RB/Seb will switch, I say, link please ?

I'm looking but not everything is uploaded. if you watched the after race commentary. Horner confirmed they would switch.

Again statistics don't matter.