Brazilian Grand Prix 2010, Interlagos Circuit - Race 18/19
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Soldato
webber's trying out other professions in case he doens't win the wdc... fireman top of the list lol
Soldato
Congrats to Red Bull, awesome achievement considering the fact they've beaten Ferrari and McLaren quite easily this year - both of which are huge teams with huge history/heritage.
To be honest, Massa has had a horrid season in that Ferrari this year.
The points distribution at Mclaren and Red Bull has been 50/50 between both drivers more or less (give or take a few percent).
At Ferrari its 62/38 Alonso Vs Massa. Maybe that knock on the head affected him more than we anticpated. Maybe the car just doesnt suit him? Who knows.
Associate
For a while, Massa was looking very good. In 2007 he did a very good job of supporting Raikkonen, in 2008 he only lost the title by 1 point, and at the start of 2009 he was making the best of a shocking car. Then it all went downhill, he hasn't looked the same since the crash, he has almost went back to how he was driving at the start of his career.
Spot on.
Caporegime
some people never properly recover from stuff like that.
Just look at what hammond still has to put up with years later.
Just look at what hammond still has to put up with years later.
I watched a documentary interviewing Stirling Moss recently and he was talking about his head trauma, he said that everything which he did instinctively before the accident he had to think about afterwards, which obviously impacted his performance.
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/88044
Doesn't sound like a man who is ready to cede the championship to his team mate even if he is P1.
Associate
I think he had a chance to be a bit more diplomatic in that interview, in the one with the BBC he pretty much said that if it was Vettel, Webber, Alonso on the last lap of Abu Dhabi, then he would have no choice but to swap them around.
I think the fact that only around 150 posts of a 600 post thread were made during the actual race speaks volumes, there is normally far more discussion. Today was hardly one of the epics.
Thinking about this, if a team mate had to cede position, I would rather it would be earlier on in the season like Massa did with Alonso...
Because if Vettel does cede, then some of Webbers WDC thunder will be stolen considerably more at the last race compared to that of say Alonso if he wins it next it week.
I.e. more time has passed from the events in Germany.
Can you list these mistakes for me?
Alonso has shown despite a poor car early on with over heating engine troubles etc that he can be consistently on it.
Hamilton by comparison has thrown it away this year. Back to back races where he was over eager and two races where the pressure of Alonso has had him over do his braking. Alonso is just ruthless. Vettel and webber have needed a car almost a second faster than him to stop him winning the title.
Race in race out he sets out what he has to do and is getting those podiums.
Most curious for me is why they pitted Button today when they had no need to. Normally Mclaren would cover the bases and it wouldn't have mattered if Button was ahead when it all shook out because he would have yielded the place. They pretty much made sure Button was behind.
Soldato
If Vettel, Webber, Alonso are in the same positions next weekend, am I right in saying Vettel would win the WDC - Alonso needs to come 2nd? If that is that case, you could argue that Vettels championship is in Webbers hands. If Webber has an "issue" and Alonso comes 2nd, then doesn't Alonso win?
Crash in Monaco which put him out of contention for qualifying.
Crash into side of Button in Australia (although this is not necessarily 100% his fault).
Jumpstart in one of the Asian races (cant remember?)
Spins off later on in the race at Spa to drop to the back
And yes there have been many other instances where he was not at fault.
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No. If it finishes next weekend as it did today. Alonso takes it.
Soldato
Nope Alonso can come 3rd and still win if Vettel doesn't yield....
http://bit.ly/a7XLlW
works out at 261 (Alonso), 255 (Vettel, more wins), 255 (Webber)
http://bit.ly/a7XLlW
works out at 261 (Alonso), 255 (Vettel, more wins), 255 (Webber)
Associate
As you said they needed Hamilton in front of Button, and gambling on new tyres only had upsides for both drivers - either there was an advantage from fresher tyres, but at worst there was no advantage, but no net loss.
Only if Button was racing Hamilton for position would it have made sense to keep him out to try and jump Hamilton who seemed to need newer tyres more, but had Buttons tyres gone off he could have lost position to Hamilton and the two Mercedes that had pitted.
Makes pitting a no brainer really, as he wouldn't have held Hamilton back anyway if he didn't pit.
More blatant, Schumacher let Rosberg pass him after his second pit stop under the safety car to keep him ahead of Kubica in the WDC, and you never know, possibly have a run at Massa for p6.
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