Brazilian Grand Prix 2012, São Paulo - Race 20/20

el_dazza said:
I've just watched the Vettel/Senna incident again and Vettel was over a cars length ahead when turning in, how is that Vettel's fault exactly when he's even taken a wide berth to avoid that happening :confused:
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Massa was given a penalty for doing exact same to Lewis last season.
 
el_dazza said:
I've just watched the Vettel/Senna incident again and Vettel was over a cars length ahead when turning in, how is that Vettel's fault exactly when he's even taken a wide berth to avoid that happening :confused:
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Senna was on the faster, cleaner and drier racing line... and Vettel wasn't and just dived straight for the apex no matter who was on the inside of him.
 
el_dazza said:
I've just watched the Vettel/Senna incident again and Vettel was over a cars length ahead when turning in, how is that Vettel's fault exactly when he's even taken a wide berth to avoid that happening :confused:
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Meh, Vettel wasn't on the racing line and Senna was, I guess that's the argument really.
 
drunkenmaster said:
Yes continue, list every point Jenson lost and every one Lewis did.

You can't win an argument by making a stupid argument, did anyone say Button didn't lose points no, Button didn't lose anywhere near as many as Hamilton and Hamilton gained very very few due to Button failures, Button gained from almost every one of Hamiltons failures.

Not only was Hamilton robbed of over 150points, the vast majority of which were car failures or people hitting him off, Jenson has lost in the region of 40-50 points, this isn't close, this isn't remotely close AND you have to factor in who gained from the other losing, Button has probably gained 30-40+ points due to Hamilton's issues, Hamilton has barely gained any due to Button's failures.

Had both had perfect luck all year, Button would be about where he is now, Hamilton would be closer to 150points ahead of where he is, and the champion.

They aren't remotely close, not even in the same ballpark. ANyway, once you list all of Button's and all of Hamilton's accidents/failures then compare who lost and who gained what, then we'll all realise you're talking ****, when you point out one loss for Button and then use this to claim they've lost similar points you're simple, well, making a really stupid argument.
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you are right Lewis challanges stupidly like today when he didnt NEED to challange, JB brings the car home
 
I don't think you're ever going to reach an agreeable conclusion on whether Senna went for a gap that wasn't going to stay there or whether Vettel cut in inappropriately. It would be exceptionally harsh to punish Vettel for that
 
FrankJH said:
you are right Lewis challanges stupidly like today when he didnt NEED to challange, JB brings the car home
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What? Hamilton took the corner very wide and Hulkenberg slid into him, that one's hardly his fault..

Kenai said:
I don't think you're ever going to reach an agreeable conclusion on whether Senna went for a gap that wasn't going to stay there or whether Vettel cut in inappropriately. It would be exceptionally harsh to punish Vettel for that
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Spot on. Incidents do happen but sadly the FIA have set a precedent that has a lot of people on aboard the bandwagon of PUNISH HIM GODDAMMIT but that's just not interesting.
 
Pigeon_Killer said:
Senna went in to the bend far too fast and slammed in to Vettel.
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I think you should watch that again, Senna was on the Apex and had perfect traction and Vettel made a huge cut across onto the Apex. Senna did not drive too fast at all as he was keeping pace with the other drivers, Vettel was driving too slowly and tried to minimise the damage by cutting in front. Obviously it came out worse on Vettel but that took out 2 potential cars that he would've found it very hard to pass.
 
el_dazza said:
I've just watched the Vettel/Senna incident again and Vettel was over a cars length ahead when turning in, how is that Vettel's fault exactly when he's even taken a wide berth to avoid that happening :confused:
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/formula1/20481809#play-video

2.12 in that video(on the right called disasterous start for Vettel) Senna is WELL alongside him with a car more than enough room for Senna, infact there is basically a car width between them, Senna has the inside, Vettel turns tight when he's got the entire corner there to go around, completely his fault.

If you stop start it, you can see Senna's front wing is pretty much level with Seb's front tyres still with a car width between them, Seb keeps turning for no apparent reason, Senna can't turn any more Seb can easily straighten out and has craploads of room on his outside.
 
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