Brazilian Grand Prix 2013, São Paulo - Race 19/19

I recall Newey saying he feared 2014 would turn into an 'engine formula' leaving little room for his special aero skill.

Time will tell I suppose. He seems to have the midas touch so I'll look forward to seeing if he can find any little 'holes' in the new regs.
 
MotoGP going to BT Sport is a real bummer.

BT cable? You just need BT Broadband of any type (I think?) and you can get BT Sport through Sky or Online for free.
 
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sunama said:
Agreed 100%.

If you are a quick driver, you should be able to hit the ground running, immediately and be faster than an established team-mate. We saw this with Kimi (he won the title in 2008) and in 2010, when Alonso moved to Ferrari in 2010.

When Senna moved to Williams in 1994, he was immediately faster than the established team-mate (D.Hill).

We have also seen this year, Hamilton outscore Rosberg (who previously beat MSc for 3 seasons in a row).

Moral of the story, if you are a fast driver, you will be fast whether you are new to the team or have been established for many years.
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FYI, Rosberg had more DNFS through reliability and was also team ordered (in Malaysia for instance to stay behind Lewis even though every man and his dog knew that Rosberg was quicker.

So had Rosberg been allowed to pass, as should have been done, and had he not had all those reliability problems which Lewis didn't ... well yeah... you're right... it does take a driver a while to get to grips with a new team mate in a new car ;) :D
 
The thing is out of the last four years, Vettel only won his first Championship by the skin of his teeth...

Massive media scrum in Abu Dhabi around Web and Alo on the grid - Vettel just had his race crew with him. Who won?

Therefore can't call that unexciting season.

2011 - Jenson was mathematically still in it until Japan ? Still an exciting season in my book though.

2012 - It went down to the wire - how we all want F1 to be don't we?!

The only season out of the last four then where he has absolutely destroyed the field is 2013 - where most teams are having to focus resources on their 2014 car so it was bound to happen in a way.

Even Merc who stated they were developing their 2013 car to the end won't have bothered. That was just to keep the media off their backs. Internally they knew someway before the end of the season that RB would romp away with it - shortly after the tyre construction went back to Kevlar I'd suspect.

So out of 4 seasons I'd say this one is the only one which has made people grow weary.

The other three weren't AS clear cut at all if you take into the account the aforementioned.
 
Nismo said:
I imagine if Vettel wins in Australia most people will cry or start a riot :p
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Ill probably be the one starting it :p

As you have all figured, i am now quite a fan of vettel but i am more a fan of the sport. If he runs away with it again with ease, ill give up and find another sport to get into.

Would save me a bit to as i may as well cancel Sky, £60 a month on Sky and Sky F1/Disney XD/Dave and the CI channels are the only ever channels that get watched.
 
smr said:
FYI, Rosberg had more DNFS through reliability and was also team ordered (in Malaysia for instance to stay behind Lewis even though every man and his dog knew that Rosberg was quicker.

So had Rosberg been allowed to pass, as should have been done, and had he not had all those reliability problems which Lewis didn't ... well yeah... you're right... it does take a driver a while to get to grips with a new team mate in a new car ;) :D
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You're right; Rosberg's DNFs and the team orders at Malaysia cost him a total of 22 points this season and the final gap between him and Hamilton was 18 points.

Having said that, Lewis' tyre failure at Silverstone potentially cost him 13 points and of course Rosberg wouldn't have won it, so would have at least seven points less.

You could do the 'what ifs' all day long mind.

It's ironic that for three years the battle between Hamilton and Button was dominated by arguments over points verses race wins and qualifying and now Hamilton is in a position where he scored more points than his team mate but didn't win as many races. He did out qualify Nico 11–8 and finished ahead of Rosberg 10–9 but it's very close.
 
The good news is that next year everything gets reset. Rosberg and Lewis will be on completely equal footing, Lewis has had a whole season to get used to his surroundings so he has no excuses for not being able to prove that he is better than his team mate.
 
smr said:
The thing is out of the last four years, Vettel only won his first Championship by the skin of his teeth...

Massive media scrum in Abu Dhabi around Web and Alo on the grid - Vettel just had his race crew with him. Who won?

Therefore can't call that unexciting season.

2011 - Jenson was mathematically still in it until Japan ? Still an exciting season in my book though.

2012 - It went down to the wire - how we all want F1 to be don't we?!

The only season out of the last four then where he has absolutely destroyed the field is 2013 - where most teams are having to focus resources on their 2014 car so it was bound to happen in a way.

Even Merc who stated they were developing their 2013 car to the end won't have bothered. That was just to keep the media off their backs. Internally they knew someway before the end of the season that RB would romp away with it - shortly after the tyre construction went back to Kevlar I'd suspect.

So out of 4 seasons I'd say this one is the only one which has made people grow weary.

The other three weren't AS clear cut at all if you take into the account the aforementioned.
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In 2011 just before Japan Vettel had a 124 point lead, for Button to win he'd have to win all 5 races with Vettel finishing lower than 10th in all of them.

So yes mathematically still in it but with a car that was better than the rest of the field arguably Vettel had the title 'done' with 7 or 8 races left to go if not earlier.
 
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Skeeter said:
Well it can't be an evolution of the current car as there are significant changes to the tub. Lower front bulk head, wider side pods, and new rear mounting points for the engine and gearbox and ERS kit. Then the nose is completely different, and the front wings. The rear wing is different too. The beam wing is gone. And the exhaust regulations are completely changed meainging the side pod rears are all new, and the floor is different due to the lack of EBD possibility. The diffuser is then redesigned to account for this.

Given all that, I can't actually think of anything the teams could carry over from the current car? Even the design phylosophy is no longer relevant for RBR as they won't be able to mould the air around the sodepods to meet the exhaust and seal off the diffuser.

Every major component is affected by the new rules.

But, I'm with you on RBR being quick. You don't loose this kind of momentum easily. The only real potential spanner in the works for them is the engine. There is a very real risk we see a 2, or even 3 tier F1 next year solely down to the relative engine performance.
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Im glad someone replied to that absurdity, i couldn't be botheres.
 
SKILL said:
In 2011 just before Japan Vettel had a 124 point lead, for Button to win he'd have to win all 5 races with Vettel finishing lower than 10th in all of them.

So yes mathematically still in it but with a car that was better than the rest of the field arguably Vettel had the title 'done' with 7 or 8 races left to go if not earlier.
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Yeah, 2011 was even more boring than 2013. Vettel had the edge this year, but it was wide open until the reversion to last year's tyres made the Red Bull invincible.
 
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