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The cars were also heavier this year and deflection tests increased to help combat flexi-bits.
Brazilian Grand Prix 2013, São Paulo - Race 19/19
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Plus no EBDs.
The 2012 McLaren chassis in 2013 spec would have been slower than the 2013 chassis, and also had little to no development left in it.
The decision to move to a new chassis for 2013 was correct. The errors have come in the design of that new chassis itself. I remember reading somewhere that they had inadvertently created a 'wake' around the front of the car that meant it was incredibly difficult to balance the aero?
The 2012 McLaren chassis in 2013 spec would have been slower than the 2013 chassis, and also had little to no development left in it.
The decision to move to a new chassis for 2013 was correct. The errors have come in the design of that new chassis itself. I remember reading somewhere that they had inadvertently created a 'wake' around the front of the car that meant it was incredibly difficult to balance the aero?
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Not a bad race apart from the winner. I will give Vettel credit, though: he has said that his nine in a row isn't significant in the way Ascari's was because Ascari did it in an era of longer races with much higher levels of unreliability. I'll never like him, but if he can carry appropriate levels of humility to the rest of his racing he may become tolerable.
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Plus back in Ascari's time, there was a high probability you wouldn't survive 9 races.
Is it really that big a deal - surely parts are only really stressed and likely to break in the last 10% of performance.....were Marussia ever in that region?
(I know its a bad description, but hopefully the point Im trying to make is obvious).
When it really was 11-12 independant teams with completely different parts then fair enough it would be amazing, but most teams share a huge amount nowadays (and probably a generation older at least too) so its not that surprising there are less failures.
Add on to that thier drivers probably arent "loading" the equipment as much as a Vettel / Alonso /KR etc in the same equipment would - the liklihood anything would break / fail I would think would drop drastically
As crap as Chilton is, I would still hope that he uses full throttle and changes gear the same amount of times as the rest of the field. It's not a manual clutch and gearbox any more, with a driver able to miss shift and lunch the whole drive train. He presses a button and the electronics handle it. So I don't think that Marussia being the slowest team means they are less likely to break stuff.
He did however cunningly avoid any overtaking incidents or crashes by hanging around well off the back of the field in empty space, clever lad.
The engine and gearboxes are reliable because the have to be. And because they have had 8 years with the same specification.
He did however cunningly avoid any overtaking incidents or crashes by hanging around well off the back of the field in empty space, clever lad
.The engine and gearboxes are reliable because the have to be. And because they have had 8 years with the same specification.
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Lmao
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So much Button hate. Do you prefer Zips?
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lol, no balance!? Is your name Jenson Button
He did however cunningly avoid any overtaking incidents or crashes by hanging around well off the back of the field in empty space, clever lad
Sounds like he is playing iRacing trying to get out of Rookies
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Lol
I can't remember where it was that I read it. But I remember there was some inherent aero issue with the chassis design that was so much a part of the design that they have spent the whole season working around it rather than being able to fix it. Button has often said they have been running the front wing on absolute maximum down force to try and do something.
Shame they couldn't do a Williams and randomly discover a fix.
I can't remember where it was that I read it. But I remember there was some inherent aero issue with the chassis design that was so much a part of the design that they have spent the whole season working around it rather than being able to fix it. Button has often said they have been running the front wing on absolute maximum down force to try and do something.
Shame they couldn't do a Williams and randomly discover a fix
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I like Button, great driver. Winner of my favorite race.
But he aint in the same league as Vettel,Hamilton and Alonso when it comes down to racing.
But he aint in the same league as Vettel,Hamilton and Alonso when it comes down to racing.
You mean Seb "can't overtake because he's always out front" Vettel, Lewis "crashes into anyone who tries to pass him" Hamilton, and Fernando "needs people to let him past because he can't do it himself" Alonso?
Nah, I jest (*waits for people to go mad anyway*). Button has had some good moments. He held his own againt Hamilton, all be it while Hamilton was having a season a brain farts. I was looking forward to seeing what Button could do leading McLaren this year, but unfortunately the car has masked his performance. We all know he's not brilliant when the car isn't bang on. Hopefully if McLaren sort things out next year we can see Button back up the front.
Nah, I jest (*waits for people to go mad anyway*). Button has had some good moments. He held his own againt Hamilton, all be it while Hamilton was having a season a brain farts. I was looking forward to seeing what Button could do leading McLaren this year, but unfortunately the car has masked his performance. We all know he's not brilliant when the car isn't bang on. Hopefully if McLaren sort things out next year we can see Button back up the front.
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To be fair to Vettel, i think he has done some of the best overtakes this year.
Webber and Massa are some i can remember too.
Yeah i hope McLOLan can finally produce a decent car next year or they will become known as a mid-team, going down the ladder like Williams.
Webber and Massa are some i can remember too.
Yeah i hope McLOLan can finally produce a decent car next year or they will become known as a mid-team, going down the ladder like Williams.
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Hamilton may well have had his worst season in 2011 - and conversely Button one of his best, second behind his Championship winning year, but let's not forget that Button was also handicapped in one of those seasons - namely 2010.
Kova has shown this weekend (and last) how difficult it is to jump into an unknown car and unknown quantity at that.
Which is precisely what Button did in 2010 - he had to learn that car from scratch whereas on the other side of the garage Lewis had a car that was tailored and built for him.
Whitmarsh poached Jenson at the end of 2009, months upon months after the MP4-25 had started being built to Lewis' specification.
Indeed Lewis has shown how hard it is jumping into an unknown car and unknown team when he stated to the media on Sunday that he found the Mclaren much easier to drive than his Merc.
So ultimately, Lewis did have an off year in 2011 I won't dispute that, but it wasn't exactly a level playing field from the outset.
Not only that but I do sometimes wonder whether I should take that 2011 season stuff seriously - as isn't a part of the job criteria in being a Formula 1 driver the ability to be headstrong enough to not let external (girlfriends etc.) factors affect you?
I mean, look at Vettel, not many people have seen his missus, I've got no idea what music he likes or what he does in his spare time etc. etc.
He's a true professional sportsman in the utmost terms possible. He even reminds of Lauda in that respect.
If leaving his private life at home is what is needed to drive yourself to the top of your profession then so be it.
If you can handle having your family there without affecting you then so be it- Lewis has struggled to find the right balance mentally in that regard, imo.
Kova has shown this weekend (and last) how difficult it is to jump into an unknown car and unknown quantity at that.
Which is precisely what Button did in 2010 - he had to learn that car from scratch whereas on the other side of the garage Lewis had a car that was tailored and built for him.
Whitmarsh poached Jenson at the end of 2009, months upon months after the MP4-25 had started being built to Lewis' specification.
Indeed Lewis has shown how hard it is jumping into an unknown car and unknown team when he stated to the media on Sunday that he found the Mclaren much easier to drive than his Merc.
So ultimately, Lewis did have an off year in 2011 I won't dispute that, but it wasn't exactly a level playing field from the outset.
Not only that but I do sometimes wonder whether I should take that 2011 season stuff seriously - as isn't a part of the job criteria in being a Formula 1 driver the ability to be headstrong enough to not let external (girlfriends etc.) factors affect you?
I mean, look at Vettel, not many people have seen his missus, I've got no idea what music he likes or what he does in his spare time etc. etc.
He's a true professional sportsman in the utmost terms possible. He even reminds of Lauda in that respect.
If leaving his private life at home is what is needed to drive yourself to the top of your profession then so be it.
If you can handle having your family there without affecting you then so be it- Lewis has struggled to find the right balance mentally in that regard, imo.
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So you're saying Lewis would have been just as unfamiliar with the MP4-25 as Jenson?
Totally agree smr, Lewis wears his heart on his sleeve and his emotions do seem to affect his driving, whether he's happy or angry. Didn't Lauda tell him he needed to be more disciplined?
Vettel is very focused, with his side of the garage frequently being the last guys in the paddock going over data etc.
However, it's easy to appear cool, calm and collected when everything is going right (even if that is due to your own hard work).
Vettel has come across like a petulant child in the past, just as Alonso, Hamilton and others have.
It will be interesting to see how he reacts next season if the RBR isn't setting the pace. Will the four titles and many records be enough to placate him or will the expectation that his winning run can keep going get the better of him?
It will probably be a moot point when he storms off to a 30-second lead on 16th March 2014.
Vettel is very focused, with his side of the garage frequently being the last guys in the paddock going over data etc.
However, it's easy to appear cool, calm and collected when everything is going right (even if that is due to your own hard work).
Vettel has come across like a petulant child in the past, just as Alonso, Hamilton and others have.
It will be interesting to see how he reacts next season if the RBR isn't setting the pace. Will the four titles and many records be enough to placate him or will the expectation that his winning run can keep going get the better of him?
It will probably be a moot point when he storms off to a 30-second lead on 16th March 2014.
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It will probably be a moot point when he storms off to a 30-second lead on 16th March 2014.
hah, if that happens I will be following in Webber's footsteps :|
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