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The actual complete car, probably yes. The company systems and ideas, no (bit like Mercedes gearbox style with LH this year).
Brazilian Grand Prix 2013, São Paulo - Race 19/19
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The actual complete car, probably yes. The company systems and ideas, no (bit like Mercedes gearbox style with LH this year).
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Love the way he didn't drop the Champagne bottle and felt a faceplant was the better outcome though 
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In a interview with button and perez Lewis said to perez "I know exactly what your getting next year"
And that was before he left McLaren.
And this year Brawn has said this years cars is built around Rosberg and MSC.
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I was just abouts to mention that one that Lewis said to Perez, that was ages before 2013 too iirc.
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I think it was the race after Perez was the confirmed mclaren driver and it was at the drivers press conference
Knowing how a cars design is progressing and the development paths the team is taking has nothing to do with being able to drive it quick.
Unless your suggesting Stefano and the whole Ferrari drawing office will be able to do better in next years Ferrari than Kimi will?
Unless your suggesting Stefano and the whole Ferrari drawing office will be able to do better in next years Ferrari than Kimi will?
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Who said it was?
I'm not suggesting anything I'm simple repeating what Brawn and Lewis have said.
Now if your after a argument I suggest you email both of them.
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I remember what Lewis said.
In his own words to Perez at the Driver's Press Conference (for which race I cannot remember)
"I've seen the car - it's awesome"
So clearly it wasn't just "development paths"?
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I'm not suggesting he's saw the full car at that stage - just repeating what he said. Anyway it's not worth getting into a debate about.
The initial point I was trying to convey was that Button was stepping into the unknown and Lewis wasn't. How much of that wasn't known to Lewis we'll never fully know.
The initial point I was trying to convey was that Button was stepping into the unknown and Lewis wasn't. How much of that wasn't known to Lewis we'll never fully know.
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And I wonder why Ferrari have Alonso in the simulator till the 12th dec?
could be he is helping with development of the car? or just playing F1 2014.
Who said drivers didn't help develop a car? A lack of help developing is rumoured to be one reason Perez was dropped.
The whole "new team" thing is just wheeled out every time someone wants an excuse. I didn't see people saying Hamilton was suffering joining a new team when he was racking up pole positions and winning for Mercedes? Or when Kimi won the WDC in his first year at Ferrari? New teams only seem to be an issue when it fits with someones argument. An argument that in this case is smr once again declaring Button Gods gift to driving at the first hint of someone suggesting he isn't.
The whole "new team" thing is just wheeled out every time someone wants an excuse. I didn't see people saying Hamilton was suffering joining a new team when he was racking up pole positions and winning for Mercedes? Or when Kimi won the WDC in his first year at Ferrari? New teams only seem to be an issue when it fits with someones argument. An argument that in this case is smr once again declaring Button Gods gift to driving at the first hint of someone suggesting he isn't.
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They're learning the torque characteristics of the new engines. Drivers up and down the grid have been for a while apparently.
The teams will know the basic package for the new car already, but when teams are only just bringing the final package to the first GP (I remember Mercedes had an almost complete overhaul between final testing and Melbourne), it'll be hard to actually test to any detail in the simulator this early. If they're leaving it as late as they did last year, it'll probably be early February when they know what they'll be bolting on the car in Melbourne.
Agreed 100%.
If you are a quick driver, you should be able to hit the ground running, immediately and be faster than an established team-mate. We saw this with Kimi (he won the title in 2008) and in 2010, when Alonso moved to Ferrari in 2010.
When Senna moved to Williams in 1994, he was immediately faster than the established team-mate (D.Hill).
We have also seen this year, Hamilton outscore Rosberg (who previously beat MSc for 3 seasons in a row).
Moral of the story, if you are a fast driver, you will be fast whether you are new to the team or have been established for many years.
In an interview with Newey, he stated that next year's car is more an evolution of this year's car. Yes the engine is new, but my guess is that if you were quick in 2013, you will also be quick in 2014.
With the exception of the engine change, my understanding is that the rules arent changing hugely. Its just the usual incremental change, inorder to ensure that cars dont become dangerously fast and top out at around 200mph.
My understanding is that the driving style will need to change a little, but again, a top class driver will adapt. So, those who were fast in 2013, will be quick in 2014.
I'll be shocked though, if Merc, RBR and Ferrari are not the top 3 teams in 2014 (just as they were in 2013).
Of course, only time will tell. Nothing is guaranteed until we see the cars roll out for testing.
Oh and seeing Vettel take pole, then time trial the entire race distance in first place, does not excite me in the least. I don't care if he does this in a 2013 car or a new fangled 2014 car. A race where the winner is decided weeks before it starts, is no fun.
Well it can't be an evolution of the current car as there are significant changes to the tub. Lower front bulk head, wider side pods, and new rear mounting points for the engine and gearbox and ERS kit. Then the nose is completely different, and the front wings. The rear wing is different too. The beam wing is gone. And the exhaust regulations are completely changed meainging the side pod rears are all new, and the floor is different due to the lack of EBD possibility. The diffuser is then redesigned to account for this.
Given all that, I can't actually think of anything the teams could carry over from the current car? Even the design phylosophy is no longer relevant for RBR as they won't be able to mould the air around the sodepods to meet the exhaust and seal off the diffuser.
Every major component is affected by the new rules.
But, I'm with you on RBR being quick. You don't loose this kind of momentum easily. The only real potential spanner in the works for them is the engine. There is a very real risk we see a 2, or even 3 tier F1 next year solely down to the relative engine performance.
Given all that, I can't actually think of anything the teams could carry over from the current car? Even the design phylosophy is no longer relevant for RBR as they won't be able to mould the air around the sodepods to meet the exhaust and seal off the diffuser.
Every major component is affected by the new rules.
But, I'm with you on RBR being quick. You don't loose this kind of momentum easily. The only real potential spanner in the works for them is the engine. There is a very real risk we see a 2, or even 3 tier F1 next year solely down to the relative engine performance.