Poll: Brazilian Grand Prix 2016, São Paulo - Race 20/21

Rate the 2016 Brazilian Grand Prix out of ten

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If this was any other driver in the top 5 or 6 I would give this to them without question in these circumstances, but with Rosberg, there is always this little niggling doubt.

I am genuinely looking forward to the contest whoever wins.
 
Vertigo1 said:
You know, Lewis' best chance to win this could be to crash into Rosberg early on and pray he gets lucky and carries on with little damage whilst Rosberg goes out :D
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Genuine question - if you were in Rosberg's shoes in two weeks time what would you do?

A) Thrash the car, drive on the limit, setting fastest laps in the race.

B) Drive more conservatively, not take risks, knowing 2nd or 3rd will get you your first World Championship

?
 
Those defending Rosberg moaning about Hamilton's poor starts...his poor starts were not his fault. This has already been discussed in detail. It's the variation in clutch tolerances and temperature. The team worked on this and tried to improve it to make it less of a lottery in the second phase of the clutch release. It's luck that Rosberg did not also suffer issues, not skill.
 
smr said:
Genuine question - if you were in Rosberg's shoes in two weeks time what would you do?

A) Thrash the car, drive on the limit, setting fastest laps in the race.

B) Drive more conservatively, not take risks, knowing 2nd or 3rd will get you your first World Championship

?
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It would have to be A if I was Rosberg, to try to write some of the wrongs of the past and go out on a high showing he can fight.

However, his mindset has and will always be B.
 
The thought of Rosberg as WDC would be far easier to accept (to me at least) if there were not a direct correlation between his form and the banning - and then subsequent re-introduction - of driver coaching from the pit-wall.

When it was banned, there was an immediate and noticeable slump in his performance, which tallies directly with Hamilton's mid-season surge to and past him on points. As soon as it was re-introduced his form recovered, Lazarus-like and he regained the initiative in the championship. We even heard it mentioned in commentary during the race on Sunday; I think Karun Chandhook mentioned that the team had been on to Nico and had been advising him on using higher ratios in some of the corners to avoid wheelspin; if that's not driver coaching, what is?

On a separate note, I got a bit annoyed by DC's comments about Hamilton's restarts - how he was only backing the pack up for the restart very late on the safety car's in lap. In the footage, you can clearly see that the roof lights on the safety car - the standard indicator that the safety car is coming in at the end of the lap - were on at least until turn 10 (Bico de Pato) and so Hamilton only started backing the pack up by turn 11 (Mergulho) as he had only just seen the lights on the safety car go out. This happened at every safety car restart, yet DC criticised Hamilton for it...
 
JonnyT said:
The thought of Rosberg as WDC would be far easier to accept (to me at least) if there were not a direct correlation between his form and the banning - and then subsequent re-introduction - of driver coaching from the pit-wall.

When it was banned, there was an immediate and noticeable slump in his performance, which tallies directly with Hamilton's mid-season surge to and past him on points. As soon as it was re-introduced his form recovered, Lazarus-like and he regained the initiative in the championship. We even heard it mentioned in commentary during the race on Sunday; I think Karun Chandhook mentioned that the team had been on to Nico and had been advising him on using higher ratios in some of the corners to avoid wheelspin; if that's not driver coaching, what is?
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I think I pointed this out in the Motorsport off topic thread earlier in the year and was met with a "its coincidence" response. I am of the firm belief that driver coaching should be banned and stay banned. Problems with the car, sure, tell the drivers how to fix them but don't tell them how to drive....
 
Syla5 said:
I think I pointed this out in the Motorsport off topic thread earlier in the year and was met with a "its coincidence" response. I am of the firm belief that driver coaching should be banned and stay banned. Problems with the car, sure, tell the drivers how to fix them but don't tell them how to drive....
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Indeed, if you need to tell your driver something as obvious as use a higher gear to avoid wheel spin then maybe they aren't cut out to be WDC.

While I am coming to the conclusion that Rosberg will probably win the WDC I am still holding on to the hope that he gets a DNF so Hamilton wins*. It doesn't have to a be a crash or anything dangerous, an engine failure on the last lap will do or Merc not putting a wheel on right as a pit stop forcing him to retire.

* Before anyone gets on their high horse, I am not a Hamilton fanboi, more a Rosberg hater :D
 
Did anyone hear Rosberg asking the team for Hamilton set up info, when they were initially sat on the grid? His engineer was basically telling Nico how much brake bias Ham was running etc

Maybe he relies more on his engineer than anyone but I found the openly sharing of info from the other driver a bit.... wrong. It remains to be seen if Rosberg gained from that, but if I knew my team mate was going to copy my settings I'd change them all on the recon lap and revert back on the parade lap ;)
 
jaybee said:
Those defending Rosberg moaning about Hamilton's poor starts...his poor starts were not his fault. This has already been discussed in detail. It's the variation in clutch tolerances and temperature. The team worked on this and tried to improve it to make it less of a lottery in the second phase of the clutch release. It's luck that Rosberg did not also suffer issues, not skill.
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Yeah...... It's certainly a possibility but none of us can claim it as a fact.


jaybee said:
It would have to be A if I was Rosberg, to try to write some of the wrongs of the past and go out on a high showing he can fight.

However, his mindset has and will always be B.
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And his mindset is about to win him title this year. He wants to win the title, he doesn't need to prove anything to anyone as most people will not change their opinion about him no matter what.
 
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EVH said:
Did anyone hear Rosberg asking the team for Hamilton set up info, when they were initially sat on the grid? His engineer was basically telling Nico how much brake bias Ham was running etc

Maybe he relies more on his engineer than anyone but I found the openly sharing of info from the other driver a bit.... wrong. It remains to be seen if Rosberg gained from that, but if I knew my team mate was going to copy my settings I'd change them all on the recon lap and revert back on the parade lap ;)
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It also happened in Mexico and helps explain his miraculous Q3 recovery despite struggling all weekend up until that point.

During the main part of the season I can understand the sharing of data in securing the WCC but once that's done they should stop IMO, especially if both their drivers are competing for the championship.
 
that doesn't bother me much, he still has to take the info and use it. coach em as much as you want, never be able to lap anywhere close to these guys.

what I don't like about Ros is his blatant cheating which went virtually unpunished. Very reminiscent of MS, at least MS waited till end of season though. Same as when Ferrari team orders, when that was banned and no punishment. Things like that really pee me off.

and as pointed out the radio ban that was then changed for the next race and no punishment.
 
I love this whole "Rosberg needs to copy Hamilton" thing. Are there people in this thread who think that's not been happening for the past half a century? The only rumours of it not happening that I'm aware of is Schumacher supposedly having a contract at Benetton that forbid his teammate from knowing his setup - something Herbert flat-out denied a few years ago as I seem to remember.

Hamilton will get plenty of driver coaching too, but perhaps most of his is in the pits and in debriefs. Rosberg likes to know what he can do on the fly, micro-managing the car like Schumacher did.

Perhaps they tried a different set up on Rosbergs car on the laps to the grid and they were comparing which was better or what the drivers preferred.

We only ever hear about Rosberg's coaching (Baku excepted) as that's what fashionable but if you think that Hamilton isn't having it throughout sessions then you're a fool.
 
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this_is_gav said:
I love this whole "Rosberg needs to copy Hamilton" thing. Are there people in this thread who think that's not been happening for the past half a century? The only rumours of it not happening that I'm aware of is Schumacher supposedly having a contract at Benetton that forbid his teammate from knowing his setup - something Herbert flat-out denied a few years ago as I seem to remember.

Hamilton will get plenty of driver coaching too, but perhaps most of his is in the pits and in debriefs. Rosberg likes to know what he can do on the fly, micro-managing the car like Schumacher did.

Perhaps they tried a different set up on Rosbergs car on the laps to the grid and they were comparing which was better or what the drivers preferred.

We only ever hear about Rosberg's coaching (Baku excepted) as that's what fashionable but if you think that Hamilton isn't having it throughout sessions then you're a fool.
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No one said different. I merely raised the point that we heard Rosberg asking for the setup that Hamilton was running... I haven't heard that being asked for a while, but there we go. I'm a fool for mentioning it :rolleyes:
 
EVH said:
No one said different. I merely raised the point that we heard Rosberg asking for the setup that Hamilton was running... I haven't heard that being asked for a while, but there we go. I'm a fool for mentioning it :rolleyes:
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I didn't refer to any particular individual and I didn't intend to either. It's been mentioned many times in this thread and in the forum for a while and I just thought someone ought to state that it flows both ways and always has.

I think it was Mark Webber who said this weekend "don't believe anything you hear on the team radios" and while he was likely referring to drivers and teams having their own personal agendas for running or otherwise on Sunday, that will apply equally in every other scenario - and in FOM's media room too.

Remember that not all radio broadcasts are open to the media - the ones listed in the transcripts are only a tiny, tiny percentage of what is actually recorded.
 
I forgot about Ricciardo being screwed by the VSC in US. That makes 2 of the last 3 races where RB could have had one or both drivers ahead of Rosberg had it not been for bad luck/poor strategy. Then there was the pressure Rosberg was under from Verstappen in Mexico.

Perhaps there is some hope.
 
Verstappen spearing Rosberg off from second place is the most likely Hamilton win scenario for me. Even that is unlikely though, as Rosberg is just not going to fight a silly move seeing as third will win it for him.
However if he does gets stuck in third AND there is pressure from behind, then it does become interesting :D
 
I cant' see Rosberg losing now.

He'll come 2nd at the next race and win the title.

During this race, for me, the distance made by Hamilton to Rosberg, despite multiple restarts, shows the edge Hamilton has in the wet. Imagine if the race was not halted at all? Rosberg would have been way down the pecking order and probably closer to 40sec behind Hamilton.
 
MissChief said:
I was under the impression that ALL voice radio transmissions were unencrypted due to the regulations and they were all available to the media. Just because we don't hear all the transmissions doesn't mean that's all there is.

This is the transcript for the U.S. GP. http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2016/10/26/2016-united-states-grand-prix-team-radio-transcript/
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In this day and age there's not a chance that is 100% of the radio transmissions.

They are all unencrypted, but you think there was only 1 transmission on the formation lap at the USGP? Seriously?
 
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