BREAKING: Paris landmark, Notre Dame Cathedral, is on fire!

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The thing is nobody knows at the moment!

Reports of someone walking around when they claimed no construction workers were on scene during the far, hence picture
Reports of an electrical fault
Rumours of Arson
Construction worker caused the fire as an accident
I saw these people on Sky News as they were streaming live, a few people tweeted about it as well. I assumed maybe they were firefighters?
 
There were still staff trying to save things from the building during the fire along with fire fighters, it’s kinda irrelevent to assume anything else. I’m sure the prosecutor and investigators will figure it out.
 
Thing is the church wasn't closed at the time. The organist was being interviewed this morning. He said he was inside playing the organ for evening mass when the fire started and the fire alarms went off and then the building was evacuated.

He also said he couldnt see any smoke or smell anything so he remained in the building for 20 minutes after the public left before leaving himself.
 
i've been looking at the pictures this morning of the aftermath and Thankfully it seems that it's not as bad as i feared. All the stonework seems to be solid and in place and at least one of the glass stained windows has survived pretty much intact. It'll take at least a decade but i can't see why it cannot be fully restored, the hardest part will be the central spire that collapsed
 
The most dangerous time for fire in a building is during reconstruction, major repairs. The site can not be 100% tidy, temporary electrical cabling runs, sawdust, cement and other powders, temporary fire alarm and fire fighting equipment, additional openings and ventilation, stored chemicals etc. etc.
 
Macron wants the international community to cough up cash to help rebuild it.

I wonder how much the French government is going to fund, or should i say how much he can fund without further mass protests about fuel.

Macron needs to paint a red bus, suggesting a country leaves the EU and the severance pay is used to rebuild Notre Dame cathedral. ;)
 
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Prehaps Macron needs to wind his neck back in, let people donate out of their own hearts instead of going around with cap in hand acting all entitled. I'll certainly be donating towards it at some point

To be fair there is already the friends of Notre Dame who raise money for its upkeep all the time and already hey have had two donations of £100m and £200m. Apparently they raise most of their money from the states.
 
I read that Salma Hayeks billionaire husband is donating around £100m and there's a French billionaire whose pledged £200m towards the rebuild so it looks like Macron won't have to do anything.

As an aside and not to be denigrating to those who've donated, I always feel a bit odd when people donate those sort of sums of money when, to my mind, there are more "important" causes that could use that sort of cash injection. Not big charities etc but imagine all the locals animal shelters, domestic violence hostels, charities making 3D printed limbs for kids etc that could use £300m vs rebuilding a Cathedral. I mean I've no idea if those billionaires are already donating to those sort of smaller charities but I know that, should I ever be in that position, my money wouldn't be going into this Cathedral, no matter it's importance.
 
I read that Salma Hayeks billionaire husband is donating around £100m and there's a French billionaire whose pledged £200m towards the rebuild so it looks like Macron won't have to do anything.

As an aside and not to be denigrating to those who've donated, I always feel a bit odd when people donate those sort of sums of money when, to my mind, there are more "important" causes that could use that sort of cash injection. Not big charities etc but imagine all the locals animal shelters, domestic violence hostels, charities making 3D printed limbs for kids etc that could use £300m vs rebuilding a Cathedral. I mean I've no idea if those billionaires are already donating to those sort of smaller charities but I know that, should I ever be in that position, my money wouldn't be going into this Cathedral, no matter it's importance.

Big easily resolved problems that instantly make you look good for piddling 0.3% of your wealth on it, in a time when the lower classes want your skin? Easy decision.

They may very well be doing it out of love for being french, but it’s hard not to see the other benefits. I wonder if one of them will push into politics.

This also neatly gives me another example of the biggest issue the west has, always waiting until disaster has reigned before acting... had there been an effort to resolve this decades ago, the money wasted on temporary solutions and now this would have been avoided while being cheaper in the process.

But hey ho no one will learn that lesson, everyone will instead use it for their own ends while everything slowly crumbles away.
 
Big easily resolved problems that instantly make you look good for piddling 0.3% of your wealth on it, in a time when the lower classes want your skin? Easy decision.

They may very well be doing it out of love for being French, but it’s hard not to see the other benefits. I wonder if one of them will push into politics.

This also neatly gives me another example of the biggest issue the west has, always waiting until disaster has reigned before acting... had there been an effort to resolve this decades ago, the money wasted on temporary solutions and now this would have been avoided while being cheaper in the process.

But hey ho no one will learn that lesson, everyone will instead use it for their own ends while everything slowly crumbles away.
The two generous Billionaires will undoubtedly offset their charitable donations against tax.

There is a clip on BBC Online from March last year where the Head of Fundraising for Notre Dame describes the decay affecting Notre Dame as a result of pollution and age ("Notre-Dame: Cracks in the cathedral"); he mentions that it could (have been) restored for €150 million - "to save a ha'p'orth of tar the ship was lost" :rolleyes:
 
Macron wants the international community to cough up cash to help rebuild it.

I wonder how much the French government is going to fund, or should i say how much he can fund without further mass protests about fuel.

Donald Tusk called for EU members to rally round...

Do they not have insurance coverage for this thing? It’s owned by the French state and used by the Catholic Church both of which are perfectly capable of funding repairs.
 
There is a clip on BBC Online from March last year where the Head of Fundraising for Notre Dame describes the decay affecting Notre Dame as a result of pollution and age ("Notre-Dame: Cracks in the cathedral"); he mentions that it could (have been) restored for €150 million - "to save a ha'p'orth of tar the ship was lost" :rolleyes:

That's what the renovation work was for though. They were doing the restoration to fix the cracks caused by pollution.
 
i've been looking at the pictures this morning of the aftermath and Thankfully it seems that it's not as bad as i feared. All the stonework seems to be solid and in place and at least one of the glass stained windows has survived pretty much intact. It'll take at least a decade but i can't see why it cannot be fully restored, the hardest part will be the central spire that collapsed


I have to say, after the fire last night I thought the damage would be severe. It would seem that the vaulted stone internal ceiling provided an effective firebreak between the roof and the rest of the building
 
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The thing is nobody knows at the moment!

Reports of someone walking around when they claimed no construction workers were on scene during the far, hence picture
Reports of an electrical fault
Rumours of Arson
Construction worker caused the fire as an accident
"Democracy NEEDS Borders". Doesn't sound like a group with an agenda at all!
 
It will be restored perfectly well. People saying "it's 850 years old it's gone build something new" haven't got a clue, buildings of this type are living breathing entities, they are constantly changed, added to, bits removed from it in its lifetime. The spire that collapsed in the fire is relatively new in it's history as it was removed during the French Revolution and only rebuilt in the large scale renovation works of the 1850s, most of it's smaller bells were also removed and melted down for cannon balls during the revolution. The skin and bones of all the great Cathedrals reflect the changing fashions of society as even now they still sit at the heart of it, whether it be for religious, spiritual, historical or artistic reasons. Some of it will date from the 1200s but much of it will have dates that span it's whole lifetime.

If anyone doubts what modern skilled craftsmen can achieve when a historical building is shelled and gutted by fire just visit St Georges Hall at Windsor Castle, it's breathtaking. Also as others have said the restoration works undertaken at York Minster are nothing short of awesome.

I for one will be donating to the restoration as heritage like this belongs to all humanity not one city, country or continent.
 
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Rather nice post by NewsThump this morning:

A group of firefighters ran towards a burning building to save not lives but history yesterday, and we’d like you to stop for a moment and think about just how remarkable that really is.

Fire is a primal fear of humanity; when faced with raging flames it is instinctive to flee to safety. The only animal known to run towards fire are humans, and the only people to do it regularly are firefighters.

The fire was of unprecedented scale; a building a thousand years old and made largely of wood and went up like a torch, yet a group of people paid little more than a primary school teacher faced the immediate risk of death – because it was their job.

This is an incredible thing made all the more incredible because it is so everyday, so unremarkable, that we forget how unusual and how brave it is to take such risks for the sake of others, for little reward beyond sheer professionalism.

That’s the remarkable thing that we’d like you to remember.

That people, faced with such extremes, display a quiet heroism and bravery that is often forgotten in the one-upmanship of outrage and moral superiority that social media often presents.

That people, given half a chance, usually turn out to be not just all right, but genuinely good.

Firefighters intend to recover from the experience of literally battling the flames of Hell itself by having a cup of coffee and a warmed-up croissant before getting ready to do it again tomorrow.

https://newsthump.com/2019/04/16/wo...Fw4ak26qGlbAiAHTITSP4D2eoMzaL9JPR6YAZzURZcUKQ
 
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