Breastfeeding in restaurants

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As a father of two children who were both breast fed I have some pretty strong views on this subject.

Firstly, people need to understand that breastfeeding is entirely natural - if society has developed a rod up it's back over this natural process, then that's societies problem and something society should learn to get over (it never used to be a problem).

As natural and good for the baby as it is, breastfeeding can be damned hard - it's often very painful for the first month or so and many women have to stop because the pain is too much for them. Those that manage to persevere often find that their nipples become desensitised to the process and can managed to feed their children for many months without pain.

My wife wanted to breastfeed because it's certainly the best start a baby can be given (food wise) due the make up of the milk being exactly what a babys developing digestive system needs. The milk contains the mothers antibodies too and provides the infant with a basic immunity for their first few months of life. However another thing women who breastfeed have to get over is the self consciousness that comes with getting a boob out in public if you are outdoors.

This takes some courage on a woman's part and they should certainly be given credit for putting their babies needs before their own comfort (both physical and mental) and if some people are uncomfortable with this difficult and entirely natural happening they need to get over it and look away.

All of this said, my wife was considerate of other peoples feelings and bought tops that allowed for the minimum of revealed flesh to be exposed to feed the baby and also carried muslin cloths around and would cover up so that others wouldn't have to see a baby feeding. I believe this helped her embarrassment to start with and in the long term helped avoid other peoples embarrassment too - so a good thing all round.

There are a lot of militant women out there when it comes to breastfeeding who frankly need to tone it down a bit. My wife joined the Breastfeeding Network - an organisation that promotes breastfeeding (daft that something like this should need promotion imho) and she was able to actively help some of her friends learn to breastfeed and get past the initial painful stage as they and their babies learned to do it properly. She got quite into it, attending training courses and planning to become a supporter for our region but soon became disillusioned with the level of pro-breastfeeding militancy in the network. There were a couple of times in our first babies early months when the breastfeeding because just too painful and we resorted to a bottle for just a few feeds while my wife's tenderness subsided - this was good because it enabled her to continue breastfeeding and baby still got fed. But the Breastfeeding network were so militant against the bottle that she wouldn't have been able to promote this perfectly sensible approach to other new mothers - it was breast or nothing with that lot. There really are some militant nutters out there promoting breastfeeding and I firmly believe a lot of the fuss in papers recently is down to this group deliberating stoking the flames in the press.

TL;DR - Breast feeding is entirely natural and to be encouraged. Women could be more discrete about the whole thing.

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To you! There may well be something wrong with it to some people. I'm not sure what is hard to understand about that.

Of course it's inconsiderate. Imagine the alternative. To simply refuse would be to know you are upsetting/making him uncomfortable and to make a conscious decision that you do not care about that. I'm not sure how that is anything but inconsiderate. If there is some major inconvenience to taking off the hat then fair enough, but if it isn't any skin off your nose then surely it is the decent thing to do to simply consider his feelings and respect his request.

I would say that stopping feeding the child and moving somewhere else to do it is somewhat inconvenient wouldn't you? So why should the mother and child be inconvenienced because someone for some strange reason finds breastfeeding offensive?
 
Women should be able to feed their baby where ever they want, it is the most natural thing in the world.

Couldn't agree more.

On the continent it is perfectly normal, and the restaurants make sure they help the mothers rather than chastise them.

We live in a strange country where we are offended by the most innocuous of things, but accept some things as perfectly acceptable.
 
Ridiculous.

For a new mother to even get through the first few days of breast feeding (it is painful and uncomfortable to begin with) is an achievement. For that mother to go out in public with the confidence that she will not get asked to be 'discreet' is paramount if the health services want to promote breast feeding.

Seriously, 99% of women just slip it out and the kid latches on, what's he deal here? Those shrouds look stupid and make it more obvious, not to mention I wouldn't like having my dinner under a giant napkin! It is not like women stand on their chair with their boobs out announcing they are about to feed.

People need to A, get over their insecurities with the female form. B, relies the mother takes the health and well being of her kid so seriously that she is willing to put herself in a potentially contentious situation with 'uncomfortable' people having to feel 'uncomfortable', bless those poor souls.

High 5 for breast feeding women everywhere. It takes more balls than many guys have, particularly the 'uncomfortable ones'!
 
Indeed.

It's one thing that I have to say that I miss about living on the continent, a fair more relaxed attitude to certain thing.s

I lived in Germany for 5 years and not once did I see a baby being breastfed in a restaurant. Not that it would bother me, but it certainly wasn't commonplace. In fact I don't even remember seeing many babies/kids in restaurants/bars at all.
 
The people in this thread arguing against the 'it's natural' opinion by comparing it to masturbation are mind-boggling.
 
so is changing a baby after it's taken a crap.
your not about to do it on a restaraunt table though are you?

There are hygiene reasons why you don't change children near food preparation areas, it's the same reason why you should wash your hands before handling food. Feeding a child is not unhygienic.

Let's try to make the situations analogous:
You eat at a restaurant - the baby eats at a restaurant (or indeed elsewhere as appropriate).
You do not get your nappy changed in the middle of a restaurant - the baby does not get its nappy changed in the middle of a restaurant.

To all those saying that they are okay with a women breastfeeding in public. What if you were seated in a seat that forced/made you watch as she was breastfeeding would you still be okay with it?

While there are doubtless some women who are militant about their right to breastfeed anywhere and everywhere I've yet to hear of any who actively force people in the vicinity to watch. Perhaps we move in different circles.

The vast majority of mothers who breastfeed appear to try and be discreet, they don't want random people staring at their breasts any more than the people who are offended want to see breastfeeding in public. However if you feel uncomfortable then you can almost always avert your eyes or try not to stare down at their chest.

I rather think we're at risk of using a very small sample of people who have an axe to grind on either side of the debate and extrapolating it to be representative of the whole. As I say I think most mothers try to be discreet about breastfeeding as they're aware that despite the fact it is a natural and necessary action it causes some people to feel uncomfortable (and that might include themselves) but it is important not to stigmatise women for the method in which they feed their child. It might be possible to see a scenario where someone is deliberately trying to provoke a reaction from breastfeeding but that's quite unlikely and only worth considering on a case by case basis.
 
[TW]Fox;27309815 said:
Continuing my theme of picking up on silly analogies this one isn't very good either because most restaurants do not allow you to bring your own food to eat :p

So restaurants down you way check breasts for milk, how very odd. :p
 
[TW]Fox;27309815 said:
Continuing my theme of picking up on silly analogies this one isn't very good either because most restaurants do not allow you to bring your own food to eat :p

If the restaurant supplied food suitable for a nursing baby then I'd be much more inclined to concede the point but as it almost certainly doesn't...

Although if you're wanting to take it to an (il)logical extreme maybe in the way that many restaurants will charge corkage there you could argue a small levy on breastfeeding. Hmm, probably not a good idea.
 
The people in this thread arguing against the 'it's natural' opinion by comparing it to masturbation are mind-boggling.

They aren't saying it's same, they are saying that the "it's natural" claim is an invalid argument, because lot's of socially unacceptable things are natural.

It's the same argument used against gay people.
 
My personal opinion is that it is fine for a woman to breast feed where ever it is needed for the baby. People need to be a lot less uptight about it. I do think that breastfeeding women should keep it discrete though, its hardly difficult to keep a muslin in the baby's change bag that youll be carrying around anyhow, chuck it round you jobs all good. TBH will make the mother feel more comfortable too, hardly want 14 year old boys pointing and staring which isn't ever going to change.

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Seeing women breastfeeding in public is such an uncommon occurrence anyway, that I have never even wondered whether it bothered me or not. That is probably because most women are very discreet about it so I hardly ever even notice.

In conclusion. I'm not sure I even care as I have never once seen it as a problem.
 
Going on thread title and having not read the thread.

If there were private rooms, the women were hot and the cost wasn't that high, I quite like a glass of milk now and then and I'd give it a try.

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Seriously people need to stop being so overly prudish about everything in general but about normal biological things in particular. People like to get offended and as with many things the offended people speak out while everyone else doesn't give a crap, unfortunately the way society is if enough people speak out and everyone else is quiet it's not long before people at least publicly agree with those doing the speaking out because they want to fit in.

IE 100 people decide drinking alcohol is bad for whatever reason and start speaking out, the rest of the world thinks they are crazy but don't care about them and instead of all speaking out and making these 100 people feel stupid they sit quietly by. One of the 100 asks a friend how they feel, from her singular point of view she knows 100 people are against it and she only knows she alone is for it as no one else has spoken out for it, thus she thinks maybe everyone is against it and in fear of not fitting in or being the odd one out agrees. This snowballs and you end up with crap like prohibition.

The extremely loud minority can sway public opinion because the silent minority don't know they are the silent minority.

Militant feminists is pretty much the same situation and gamergate is pretty much the silent minority finally speaking up after the extremely loud minority have been screaming for years.

A few people dislike boobs in public feeding kids, they are loud about it, 99% of the population realise it's fine but 99% of the population stay quite so 99% of the population don't realise they agree with each other... thus these stupid ideas get formed by the minority.

I do have strong views on people with kids effecting others lives because they tend to become selfish and want to live their normal pre kid life while ruining it for everyone else.

I'd never, ever take a kid to a fancy restaurant. If I have kids I realise it's both a choice and that I can deal without going to a restaurant for a couple of years. I have to put up with screaming babies, I chose to have a baby, no one else in the restaurant did.

There is a reason why crappy kids restaurants with play areas and the like exist, its so you can take your kids there and not worry about being loud as every parent has a potentially loud kid. Going to a fancy restaurant where no one expects a screaming baby or a toddler running around is just selfish parents.
 
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